[Solved] Selecting 3-4kW Portable Air Conditioner for 25m2 Room with NW & NE Windows - Q40HD Climalock

Hello

He is getting ready to buy an air conditioner for a 25m2 room as in the topic. Unfortunately, the split is out of the question. The budget is around PLN 2,000.

According to various calculators, I need an air conditioner with a capacity of 3-4kW:
2 windows facing north-west (1 small, 1 medium)
2 windows on the north-east side (1 small, 1 medium-sized) + balcony door
Computer in the room + 1 person

I was thinking about something like this:
https://wentylacja24.pl/klimatyzacja/klimatyzatory-przenosne/qubo/q40hd-climalock

According to the manufacturer, this air conditioner can stand outside, which in my case is possible thanks to the balcony.
Additionally, this will mean reduced noise and allegedly increased efficiency.

Maybe there is something better at a similar price?

I wonder what the air supply of 6-8m means according to this advertisement? If you install it outside and seal this pipe with air supply, it's ok. This is an important feature that distinguishes the device from others. However, I strongly do not recommend inserting and letting the hot air pipe outside.

jaszczur1111 wrote:

I wonder what the air supply of 6-8m means according to this advertisement?

Unfortunately, I have no idea.

One more thing puzzles me. Would I have to somehow protect it from the weather? Some makeshift "shack" so that it does not rain on him?

Theoretically, I could put it on the windowsill, but it still won't protect it completely from the weather.

qscgu wrote:

One more thing puzzles me. Would I have to somehow protect it from the weather? Some makeshift "shack" so that it does not rain on him?

"The device is adapted to work in difficult conditions due to the increased degree of protection IPX2". So protection against water dripping from different directions at an angle of up to 15 degrees.

jaszczur1111 wrote:

I wonder what the air supply of 6-8m means according to this advertisement?

This could be the distance from which to feel the wind.

jaszczur1111 wrote:

I wonder what the air supply of 6-8m means according to this advertisement?

This could be the distance from which to feel the wind. [/ Quote]

Ahhahahaha, of course I also figured it out too, but it's total nonsense. One will feel nothing, the other will say a draft. It still occurred to me that at the distance given when the "blown" person is located, they will feel comfortable. Only that all this is not authoritative.

Despite the resistance to external factors, I would give a roof, and one from the sun.

qscgu wrote:

Hello

He is getting ready to buy an air conditioner for a 25m2 room as in the topic. Unfortunately, the split is out of the question. The budget is around PLN 2,000.

If the split is gone, you are screwed.
For this area, the smallest split with a cooling capacity of 2.5 kW is enough, and it will still be several times too large.
Portable is a mess. He blows hot air, and new hot air goes through windows and leaks.

If not split, it's a window air conditioner.

Jan_Werbinski wrote:

Portable is a mess. He blows hot air, and new hot air goes through windows and leaks.

That is why I was interested in this model from the link, because in my case it will blow cold air and it will stand outside.

If this curtain from the set is not tight enough, I will make my own construction.

As for power, I do not want to argue, but my friend has 4kW splits in a room similar to mine.
My computer is not a laptop and generates not a small amount of heat, in addition, the arrangement of windows facing the sun does its job.

4kW x24h = 96kWh. Cosmic amounts of energy for a room of 25m2.
Oversizing does not make sense because it generates costs and forces you to work on / off. Unless you want to have a sauna there all the time and quickly cool the air for a while? Then it oversizes. There will be no comfort, because the walls, furniture, etc. will radiate heat, and on the other hand, cold air will blow. It's a nightmare for me.
Having a small inverter split, you set it for long-term continuous operation or even a dozen or so hours a day and you have even, cool temperature throughout the room, comfort and low bills.

99% of people in the air conditioning industry are dilettante. They offer air conditioners according to the conversion factor 100-150W / m2. They lack the knowledge and intelligence to draw conclusions.

Jan_Werbinski wrote:

Oversizing does not make sense because it generates costs and forces you to work on / off.

But this is normal, I have yet to come across an air conditioner that runs non-stop. It's not about having a continuous airflow, but a relatively constant temperature in the room. And it would even be great if you didn't feel the airflow at all (but it's not possible). I think we have a different feeling of comfort.

I already have Saune. The temperature in the room is on average 5-7 degrees higher than outside. I would forget to add that not only is there a computer, but there is also a chimney next to the room. Even in summer, that wall is warm because the water is warm with CO.

Anyway, electricity bills should probably depend not on the power of the air conditioner but its efficiency, but maybe I don't know something.

As I said, split is out of the question, so the only thing that makes sense for me is a portable one that I will put outside.

qscgu wrote:

there is a chimney next to the room. Even in summer, that wall is warm because the water is warm with CO

In summer you don't use CO rather than DHW? Either the hot water consumption is very high or someone does not know how to smoke in the stove.

qscgu wrote:

Jan_Werbinski wrote:

Oversizing does not make sense because it generates costs and forces you to work on / off.

But this is normal, I have yet to come across an air conditioner that runs non-stop.

Mine went non-stop. Virtually all winter.
Are you aware that our country is dominated by the technological and intellectual Middle Ages? People prefer to heat expensive with coal or gas instead of cheap heat pumps in the form of air conditioners.

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qscgu wrote:

I already have Saune. The temperature in the room is on average 5-7 degrees higher than outside. I would forget to add that not only is there a computer, but there is also a chimney next to the room. Even in summer, that wall is warm because the water is warm with CO.

Do you heat in the summer CO to have hot water? SUMMER in WHAT?
For what? Do you like expensive and keep it hot? Why don't you use a thermal bath for a few hundred zlotys?

Do what you want. You can read and think or do what others don't think.

This is not my home, folks
Therefore, it does not decide what, who, where, what. And that's why I want a portable air conditioner because I can't drill anything.

Yes, DHW, but the stove is the same, the chimney is the same. It's just that the circulation to the radiators is closed.

Do you heat the entire central heating boiler, pipes, water, chimney, room - several dozen kg of steel or cast iron, hundreds of kilograms of chimney and walls, and several dozen liters of water to use 20 liters for a shower?
Then you want to cool these walls with an air conditioner?
Then you will light the boiler again?
Don't you think something is wrong here?

Jan_Werbinski wrote:

Don't you think something is wrong here?

Don't you think I have nothing to say about it?

If this were my home and my business, it would be completely different.
For now, he wants to somehow survive the summer without sitting in a sauna.

Buy a portable split, e.g. FrostAir.
If not, I recommend drinking a lot of water, a fan, opening windows at night, closing for the day, shading from the sun.

I finally bought an Eberg Qubo Q40HD

I am already after a little test and overall very satisfied.

1. The first test was yesterday, it was around 20-22 degrees outside. My room is 27.5 degrees. The air conditioner was in the room.
a) After about 50 minutes, the air conditioner dropped the temperature to 22 degrees (as much as I had set) - Fan to LOW
b) When the fan is set to LOW, its volume is comparable to that of a normal room fan
c) When the compressor starts, the volume already resembles a room fan at full speed.

2. The second test took place today, this time the air conditioner was standing outside. Temp. outside ~ 24 degrees, in the room almost 28 degrees.
a) this time it took him about 36 minutes to bring the temperature down to 22 degrees.
b) was almost inaudible even on HIGH fan setting. There was a hum but more comparable to a refrigerator than a fan
c) Even after the compressor was turned on, the volume was fine (it's easy to sleep)

These are, of course, my subjective feelings.

Now the general disadvantages of the device:
1. The remote control is inconvenient to use, while sitting in a chair, you need to put your hand up and aim at the air conditioner. The IR receiver is on the top panel, so there is not too much angle. Not a very thoughtful solution.
2. The "Climalock" window cover is basically money down the drain. It's neither tight nor comfortable, nor is it good for anything at all.
3. Temperature control simply will not work if the air conditioner is placed outside. This is its biggest drawback.
3. The heat dissipation hose could be better fitted to these plastic parts.

Advantages:
1. Portable.
2. It is enough for my needs, it easily broke 5-6 degrees in several dozen minutes.
3. It can stand outside. This is its amazing advantage, you can attach the hose from the walking side in literally 2 seconds.


At least 2 disadvantages can be eliminated relatively cheaply:
1. Instead of buying Climalock, it is enough to insert some "plug" into the window with a hole for the pipe, you can also make a hole in the window if you have such an opportunity.

2. Temperature regulation can be done with a socket thermostat. On Allegro you can find those for about PLN 100 that work for both heaters and coolers. For example, a model PRT1 . I checked, when you disconnect it from the power supply and turn it on again, it remembers the settings and automatically starts.

Final assessment 4.4
- a small minus for the remote control
- a small minus for matching the hose
- a big minus for the fact that you can not regulate the temperature in any way when the air conditioner is outside.
+++ a giant plus for the fact that the air conditioner can be placed outside (the pipe can be connected from the cooling side)

It would be enough if the remote control was not on IRDA but some radio / RF anything and it could be controlled from behind the wall. The problem of the lack of a "thermostat" would not be that big.

PS. I am not an air conditioning specialist, so all this is my subjective feeling. I am also not able to say whether 36/50 minutes at 5-6 degrees is a good result or not.
PS2. Room cool down times may not be relevant. For example, a lot depends on what I am currently doing on the computer. Do I have the curtains open, from the time of day etc.

Jan_Werbinski wrote:

99% of people in the air conditioning industry are dilettante.

Jan_Werbinski wrote:

Are you aware that our country is dominated by the technological and intellectual Middle Ages?

What does it take to be such an enlightened Renaissance man?
Do you know why the Middle Ages are considered ignorant? This is propaganda of people from the next epochs (e.g. Renaissance people, enlightened people) - the facts are that this is no dark ages, and the Renaissance was a time of high scientific arrogance and idolatry in everything - no wonder that their greatest achievement was propaganda about themselves - there are historians who consider the revival a spoiled medieval and I agree with them.
There is no medieval age in our country, there is an exaggerated unbridled renaissance, everyone knows everything, no modesty ;)

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People prefer to heat expensive with coal or gas instead of cheap heat pumps in the form of air conditioners.

People are smarter than other people think - maybe that's why?
I noticed that you were really delighted with the air conditioners - you probably have one recently for use - people in this dark garden have been working with air conditioners for years, and somehow they are not delighted with them

Chris_W wrote:

Do you know why the Middle Ages are considered ignorant? It is propaganda of people from the next epochs (e.g. Renaissance people, enlightened people)

Poles are dark-garden not over time, but now. This is revealed by the BBVA general knowledge test.
http://www.racjonalista.pl/forum.php/s.515177
http://kopalniawiedzy.pl/kultura-naukowa-wiedza-nauka-Polacy-Amerykieta-Europa-BBVA,16459,1

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Chris_W wrote:

I noticed that you were really delighted with the air conditioners - you probably have one recently for use - people in this dark garden have been working with air conditioners for years, and somehow they are not delighted with them

I have had air conditioners for over a dozen years. I have been using the current one for nine years.
The funny thing is that even people in the refrigeration industry do not believe that they can be the main source of heat in winter.
If it isn't darkness, what is it?

Eberg Qubo is purchased