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Hakko T12 Handle Compatibility & Adaptation for WEP 936 Station with 90W Power Upgrade

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  • #1 16200272
    Trzyzet
    Level 23  
    Welcome I have no idea where to put this topic because the question is quite strange, so I founded it here. I have not found any similar topic. If it really was and I didn't see anything, please provide a link and delete the topic.

    I have an old WEP 936 station with a non-standard 90W power (a little bit here and there). Since the heating element in the handle is dying, instead of buying a new one, I want to buy and adapt the handle from the recently popular T12, more widely known under the name Hakko. Apparently the plugs of these handles differ only in pinout, but I'm not 100% sure. Someone may have tried a similar operation or have been using Hakko T12 and know something about it? Unfortunately, the Internet is silent and I do not know Chinese to search on those sites.

    Some will ask "why such an operation?". I am already answering.
    Tips for T12 are immediately integrated with heaters in one element, which causes much faster heating and cooling of the tip, and extends the life of the entire station. One tip to T12 (as I mentioned earlier it is with a heater) also costs PLN 8, where the 936 heater costs from PLN 10 up. And I will always have a few tips in stock, even if the heater falls on the T12, I replace the tip and keep playing. At the end I write that the cost of the T12 handle in the form of a sack costs less than PLN 25 for Chinese, they also often add one tip.

    Thanks in advance for your reply and best regards!
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  • #2 16200478
    Gregovic
    Level 15  
    If Hakko approaches WEP and doesn't suck, why not? I haven't seen the description of the modifications here yet, I can't read Chinese, but the trial and error method will be the easiest way to achieve the intended goal
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  • #3 16201409
    Trzyzet
    Level 23  
    And I think I will. Both stations do the same Chinese so there is a chance that there will be no problems.

    I will let you know in 2-3 weeks what and how when the T12 handle comes to me.
  • #4 16202233
    Gregovic
    Level 15  
    Have you looked if the socket with the nut will come? do the cables come out the same way as in the old WEP? in total, the plug can be rescheduled, why write and you will do everything as it should go;]
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  • #5 16205162
    rubens
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Trzyzet- there is everything you need to know on the internet.
    You just don't want to look.
    I will give you a reasoning.
    You can easily find the tip of the T12 tip.
    Consider how many pins it has and how the temperature measurement is carried out.
    Do the same with your station.
    After max. 10 minutes of searching you will know (if not, you can always send a question to sellers heaters or stations) if such a project has a chance to work.
    Now look at this https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&...SB_20170116130426&origin=y&SearchText=t12+kit
    And you should know everything.
  • #6 16206240
    Trzyzet
    Level 23  
    Oho, it started:
    rubens wrote:
    You just don't want to look.

    If I didn't want to look, I would throw it in the corner, because that's how I am. There are simply several types T12, probably 6 or 7 and there are no drawings for everyone. I close the topic because this is not the place for stupid discussions and I will open it as we manage / it will not be possible to adapt the T12 for WEP.

    And, finally - I do not recommend believing what the Chinese write in this matter, because all they want is to sell their product.
  • #7 16210426
    rosak
    Car dashboards specialist
    Trzyzet inspired me, I will want to do the same with my ATTEN 8586. So far, short research has shown that the T12 has a thermocouple in series with the heating element, unlike type 900 flasks where the temperature is measured using a thermistor. So you need to use a separate controller. Fortunately, it is quite simple and there are a lot of ready projects on the web. Let me know how you are doing, maybe we will construct something together. For now I'm going to look for some nice butt and arrowheads because the Chinese have been off from next week. Then I'll think about the controller.
  • #8 16215774
    Trzyzet
    Level 23  
    Well, I was looking for something and in my 907 flask heater (and the original heater, also from Hakko) there is a thermocouple. I need to measure if the measurements of these thermocouples coincide. It is so much better that all cheap stations with the number 936 are Hakko 936 clones, which only differs from the original heater and an additional temperature stabilization system.

    Well, we are waiting for the flask and the first tests. I already know that I have no reason to mount this funny switch detecting shocks because I still have nowhere to connect it.
  • #9 16215821
    rosak
    Car dashboards specialist
    And I already know that 936 cannot be modified to work with T12, you need to change the whole driver. Since my station is together with hot air, I would have to do a driver for both. So I decided that I would make a second station with T12. I have already ordered a butt, 4 different tips and a ready controller with a mini 8x2 display, because those with 7 segments and those on oleds are poor. If I ever have an excess of free time, I will deposit this one link
  • #10 16218749
    rubens
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    rosak wrote:
    And I already know that 936 cannot be modified to work with T12, you need to change the whole controller. I have already ordered a butt, 4 different tips and a ready controller with a mini 8x2 display, because those with 7 segment and those on oleds are bad. [/url]

    And that's how it is.
    Temperature measurement differs significantly for T-12 tips and tips where the temperature sensor (usually a thermocouple) is separately (separate leads).
    Therefore, from the old station, at most, you can use a housing and a transformer.
    You don't need to know Chinese at all, - one of the first links:
    http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/interest...936-to-t12-(fx951-integrated-tip)-conversion/
    I found him after a minute of searching.
    Good luck.
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  • #11 16749819
    Trzyzet
    Level 23  
    A lot of time has passed and the problem has been solved - a station with a Chinese driver on one chip will not work with tip T12, the original with an additional LM chip as the most. I made a driver like the original and I use T12 handles. close :)

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the compatibility and adaptation of the Hakko T12 handle for use with an old WEP 936 soldering station, which has been modified to a non-standard 90W power. The original poster seeks advice on whether the T12 handle can be integrated, noting that the heating element in their current handle is failing. Responses suggest that while the T12 tips offer faster heating and cooling due to their integrated design, significant modifications are required for compatibility. Users discuss the differences in temperature measurement methods between the T12 and the WEP 936, indicating that a complete driver replacement is necessary for successful adaptation. Ultimately, it is concluded that the WEP 936 cannot be modified to work with T12 tips without substantial changes, leading some users to consider building a new station specifically for T12 handles.
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