Monitoring with 4 cameras for a single-family home

Hello
I am at the stage of electrical installation in my home. The time has come to extend the cables to external cameras. And here are a few questions:
1. Is the coaxial cable with 2x0.5mm power supply ok?
2. where to lead cables from these cameras? I would like to have a preview in the living room on tv (Does this mean that the recorder put in the living room and cables from cameras also to the living room next to the TV?)
3. what monitoring will you recommend camera recorder etc. I was thinking about 3 or 4 cameras. which would record the picture also at night. The recorder would probably also be connected to the internet so that you can flush what's happening around your home.
as for monitoring and costs, it is something in affordable money and good parameters. I was thinking about the amount of about 2500-3000 PLN. (Will I buy something quite good for this money?)

Regards Dariusz

eko-piana wrote:

1. Is the coaxial cable with 2x0.5mm power supply ok?

Now let go of the concentration. Place the twisted pair instead.

eko-piana wrote:

where to run cables from these cameras? I would like to have a preview in the living room on tv (Does this mean that the recorder put in the living room and cables from cameras also to the living room next to the TV?)

I mean you want to connect with the recorder via the web browser on TV?

eko-piana wrote:

3. what monitoring will you recommend camera recorder etc. I was thinking about 3 or 4 cameras. which would record the picture also at night. The recorder would probably also be connected to the internet so that you can flush what's happening around your home.

Arrangement of cameras must be arranged in such a way that they cover the areas to be observed. You do not write anything about the level of detail of recordings, in the sense of what you want to read from them, for example you only have the fact that you see a figure who wants to go through the fence, do you want to recognize her face or license plate of a car that will enter the premises . From it depends on what cameras you should use. You want to record the image at night so you need to be provided with either artificial lighting or IR illuminators / cameras with illuminators. The range of illuminators given by the manufacturer divided by half - the real range will come out ...

eko-piana wrote:

as for monitoring and costs, it is something in affordable money and good parameters. I was thinking about the amount of about 2500-3000 PLN. (Will I buy something quite good for this money?)

What time of registration? Continuous registration or based on motion detection? I think that a BCS set of 3 2mpx cameras, a 4 channel recorder, a 2-3TB HDD, and a PoE switch should fit in the amount you write about.

Hello
Using the equipment of the highest quality, you are able to perform monitoring from 3-4 cameras.
Remember, however, that sometimes it is better to use the services of an experienced installer.
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ad 2. The easiest way is where the TV - not necessarily the smartest one
ad 3. At the AHD concentration system, I think that you can fit in a budget of PLN 2500-3000.

1. what about the choice of concentration vs twisted pair I read a little on the forums and it seems that I get a better picture on the concentrator. But these are only the opinions of other forum members. So I do not know whether twisted pair or power supply hubs.
2. I was thinking about connecting the cable recorder to the tv.
3. it would be good to see the boards and the face only depends on what cost the house is in a remote area so there is no lighting. so only IR lighting remains. illuminated area by cameras is 15m maybe 20m.

eko-piana wrote:

1. what about the choice of concentration vs twisted pair I read a little on the forums and it seems that I get a better picture on the concentrator. But these are only the opinions of other forum members. So I do not know whether twisted pair or power supply hubs.

What do you mean by "better"? Do you mean resolution? This depends on the camera, not on the cable the image is being sent. Only twisted pair and IP solution, without any AHD, CVI, TVI prostheses and what else they will come up with, which in two or three years will lose their raison d'etre.

eko-piana wrote:

2. I was thinking about connecting the cable recorder to the tv.

But how? HDMI or via network port? If HDMI is a recorder rather in the vicinity of TV. The network signal from the PoE switch is supplied to the recorder (it can be in a different location - "hidden"), to which you lead the cables from the cameras. How do you want to control the recorder? For example, here You have a little bit about it.

eko-piana wrote:

3. it would be good to see the boards and the face only depends on what cost the house is in a remote area so there is no lighting. so only IR lighting remains.

Recognition of such details at this budget is rather unreal, although it depends on the distance of the objects observed ...

eko-piana wrote:

illuminated area by cameras is 15m maybe 20m.

What does it mean "illuminated area by cameras"? The distance from the camera to the farthest object that is to be observed?

wotik wrote:

Only twisted pair and IP solution, without any AHD, CVI, TVI prostheses and what else they will come up with, which in two or three years will lose their raison d'etre.

It's interesting, because these supposedly "dentures" are being developed and will be, the terza in the offer of eg. Hika are 3Mpx cameras and more operating in the TurboHD standard.

wotik wrote:

But how? HDMI or via network port?

Unless obvious by HDMI, with the recorder placed even in the next room (so as not to upset the TV viewer) and using a good cable is not a problem.

eko-piana wrote:

the house is in a remote area so there is no lighting. so only IR lighting remains.

What's the problem at this stage to lead the cables for additional external lighting, even if they are triggered by a motion sensor?

eko-piana wrote:

where to run cables from these cameras?

Where the camera will have the best position in terms of the observed area, as to the height - about 4 meters (above - you will see the tops of the heads, below - you will see a kind of figure but you will lose on the observed stage).

In addition, the 4ch recorder disqualifies further expansion. 4 cameras are not enough to cover the area around the house, unless the object is square.
Twisted pair is quite cheap so you can think about several locations for the future. One camera-one LAN cable, you can connect both analog and IP cameras.
If you have small children, you should think about cameras in children's rooms. The camera that looks at the gate successfully replaces the one of the video door phone (these are built in poor quality).
Whether you mount the camera later is another matter, but it's better to have a spare.
You do not have to do the camera at the same time. can be added from time to time.

summarizing:
1. put the twisted pair instead of the power supply and will it be a better solution for analog or IP cameras? does the twisted pair require an additional power cord?
2. cables (twisted-pair or coaxial with power supply) from cameras lead to the box, suppose in the garage in which the switch and power supply for cameras will be mounted? . Then, from the garage switch, let go of the twisted pair into the living room under the TV where I place the recorder? or lead cables to the living room directly from cameras?
3. recorder for tv hdmi connection
4. the furthest point from the cameras is some 15 to 20m. maybe I'll do lighting with a motion sensor.
5. What is the point of buying analog cameras? Is only IP coming into play?
6. What set on IP cameras and what on analog cameras? (camera recorder switch etc.)
7. will the analog camera not be better at night?

eko-piana wrote:

the house is in a remote area so there is no lighting

and can you give me the approximate dimensions of this house?

eko-piana wrote:

illuminated area by cameras is 15m maybe 20m.

Can you specify the distance at which you are interested in detection, i.e. the camera on the corner has to observe a square that is 15 meters away - it tells us a lot.

Generally, I see here dome cameras with wide infrared illuminators and the starvis IMX291 transducer.
Recorder, drive, with small cable distances (20-30 meters), release the signal and supply the twisted pair.

eko-piana wrote:

I thought about the cable connection of the recorder to the tv.

Yes, but you have to buy a recorder that can work without a fan.

According to me, 2,500-2600 gross - you can fit easily.

eko-piana wrote:

Then, from the garage switch, let go of the twisted pair into the living room under the TV where I place the recorder?

But this is of course for the IP version.
Can I know why the friend is dragging this dance to the living room?
greetings

One of the options is to use a system based on cash, so to say or something Chinese cheap and not so tragic or expensive, but not always better than Chinese.

So a Chinese system based on ONVIF would rather satisfy you.
The image quality and detail of details depends on many factors, but first of all on the image sensor (matrix). The bigger the transducer the better the image quality.

Search for cameras with a SONY sensor
Sony IMX322 (2.0MP)
Sony IMX225 (1.3MP)
Sony IMX178 (5.0MP)
Sony IMX291 (2.0MP)

For this some DVR supporting 4 to 8 cameras with HDMI output and Ethernet input

As for the cable, it's worth to win the cable of the best quality, do not buy CAT7 cables, orange ones for them, the usual RJ45 plugs do not fit and the ones that match are very expensive.

SSTP CAT 6a or S / FTP CAT 6 cable is enough.

gradek83 wrote:

So a Chinese system based on ONVIF would rather satisfy you.

Oh, let your friend be surprised. What if what, but if I have to choose a cheap AHD or related - yes, cheap IP - never.

gradek83 wrote:

The image quality and detail of details depends on many factors, but first of all on the image sensor (matrix). The bigger the transducer the better the image quality.

Unfortunately, it also depends on the parameters that camera manufacturers do not always boast about. Although from the lens used ....

suworow wrote:

Oh, let your friend be surprised. What if what, but if I have to choose a cheap AHD or related - yes, cheap IP - never.

I know 100% that this is not the perfect solution but you can really get cheap on the market with good quality cameras and how much it comes sometimes I have a lottery camera and I have a few years, so that even half a year could not come. Yes, I can invest in cameras such as Ubiquiti, I have them and are not to be broken, but the quality of the image does not knock down and the prices for such equipment is too large, but for the company is paid.

suworow wrote:

Unfortunately, it also depends on the parameters that camera manufacturers do not always boast about. Although from the lens used ....

Such a lens is also a very important thing especially its brightness as well as the sensitivity of the matrix is all that is needed especially in the vision of the camera at night.

Recently I noticed that fashionable sets have become smart house alarm system eg Gigaset Elements and camera S30851-H2518-R101 and GOCLEVER smart-house-monitoring Only here rather from what I see is the lack of a recorder and everything on the cloud is registered. Good solution but also good internet with upload needed for this. So this is just a curiosity.

WHAT is ONVIF cameras if someone is overwhelmed, they have the opportunity to put together the equipment that suits them without having to use ready-made options. The Chinese market is flexible and adapts to the needs of individual customers. I have not even repaired the damaged camera in the majority of cases, the system is standardized when it comes to the size of PCBs and you can buy everything under yours, and it is much cheaper on the seller's aliexpress. HLong Asia - HASECU Store ALe that's how I wrote for advanced users. It is probably known that not only the seller has such an offer, but I bought it for this so I can recommend it from my own experience.


What is watching this image from cameras on a smart TV is possible but only by the NVR recorder because the TV browser does not support Active x Maybe there is some app on apstore np samsunga but I have not heard about such.

There is only one choice for me:
Namely, SD22204T-GN. This is a fully automatic camera with PTZ 4x optical zoom. Additionally, IP and PoE power supply. Memory card slot and extremely small.
I wonder about this "miracle" myself.
This is not some Chinese crap, only a reputable company.

You can also recommend these companies unifore, Hikvision, Uniview, Tiandy also have great equipment but if it was not there and there is sitting Chinese. Buy it so that these 3-year warranty would give it then there is an option if the company does not melt in the air as it sometimes happens.

Not necessarily. Such a webcam costs PLN 700 on AliExpress. So you can buy 3 because you gain quality and PTZ. Together with the wiring you will come out like a colleague wanted Max 2500zl.

Well, about 700 zlotys and a guarantee from a Chinese person, that is, if something goes wrong, I refer to China. I'm not saying that the camera is bad, but if he will play with it, he will probably put it in one position and turn on the equipment. Yes, one or two can buy such installations if they support ONVIF can be mixed up at will.
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