Monitoring 4 IP Cameras with Motion & Sound Sensors in the Cloud: How-To, Packages & Models

Hello,

Would like to buy 4 IP cameras (2 calls and 2 internal) that would work in the cloud.
The cameras would have a motion and sound sensor. I do not really know the topic, I have a few questions.

Would a properly configured cloud allow me to view the live image remotely, e.g. from the phone?

Working in the cloud, the recorder will not be needed, right?

What does the matter of saving data in the cloud look like - can you buy GB packages and which providers / operators offer such services?

I am wondering if there are IP cameras that record only when motion is detected?

And could you give IP camera models with motion / sound sensors with access to the cloud?

Budget: PLN 200 for a camera + possibly a recorder if needed. I do not know the prices, let's give 200 zlotys.

I would be obliged,

Let's start with the budget a bit too small as to the requirements. Recording in the cloud is already available but forget about this solution because it has a lot of disadvantages.
In your solution are 4 cameras as you wrote + recorder with a disk for 4 cameras + switch preferably with PoE. With internet access you can browse recordings or of course on the spot. In addition, you can set the analytics and you will receive a notification on the phone.
Provide more details, some cameras will be selected. What would the camera see, what big frame? Illumination at night is? How long do you want to keep your recordings. Have the cables already located, etc.

Hi. I do not have anything yet, I am asking theoretically.

So let's forget about the cloud, let's focus on the recorder.
What ultimately needs is a set of 4 cameras (2 external, 2 internal), a recorder and a drive + wiring. However, I would like to start with 2 cameras (call and extension) and see how it works.

Recording only when the camera detects motion / sound, also off.
Outside the photocell for movement, the camera would be next. At home, the camera in the living room next to the main entrance.
The angle of the camera call - I have a house in the shape of the letter L, and mounted it would be in the inner corner so I think 90-120 is enough.
As for the length of the recordings, if they would record only the movement, and they would still work what capacity you would recommend?
And what does the sim card look like in order to send an SMS notification?

PoE switch allows you to send sms / email notifications - internet connection, yes? Then we are talking about cameras wired or without?

greetings

Gooes wrote:

So let's forget about the cloud,

And rightly so.
As if someone had some doubts, for example, look at this topic: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3385873.html#16750858#16750858
and determine how many frames per second we want to write, check what stream one camera generates at this number of frames, multiply it by the number of cameras and finally compare it with the parameters of your link with a special consideration of the upload parameter (because that's what it's all about). If our attempt is successful, you need to check the pings and try to answer the question on how much our link is stable and whether it is able to provide the minimum upload needed all the time.
Ok someone will say that we set motion detection, that cameras will not generate traffic on the network all the time and very rarely all 4 simultaneously. Yes, but the detection from the image analysis is not perfect (just enter "motion detection" in our search engine to see what's going on) so the chance that 4 cameras will overlap under certain circumstances is large and will increase with the eventual event worth there would be recordings.

Gooes wrote:

and let's focus on the recorder.

Well, now that there is a recorder and it can become our "window to the world" with such a budget remains only the farewell to IP cameras and transition to analogue of higher resolution that can provide systems such as AHD, HD-CVI, HD- TVI. These cameras are much cheaper than their IP counterparts will not need a POE switch.
What will you need then?
Still 4 cameras, recorder, disk, power supply (preferably buffer from aku), some wiring, connectors, some reja box and the ability to connect the cable recorder to the router.
I was sent by my colleague (I apologize to everyone but because of my mistake the discussion started via pw, which obviously should not take place, and what I am fixing here) link to the cameras:

Gooes wrote:

https://ivel.pl/p7796,zestaw-do-monitoringu-r...MI--uCrfbV2AIVBGYbCh1FlAKuEAQYASABEgLAp_D_BwE

and a bit about their requirements:

Gooes wrote:

Monitor the premises (50 m in length) from the entrance door to the gate. I have a self-igniting photocell, the camera with the motion sensor installed next to it. At home, the problem is not done, because the camera would be mounted in the living room, next to which I have the main entrance.

Immediately my friends can say that none of these cameras and taken together are not suitable for monitoring this driveway. This camera, or somehow, can handle it in the living room (provided that it is not flooded with half a sheaf of light, and the other part remains much darker), but will not it be any more discreet?

greetings

Generally the priority is sending sms / email in the case of motion detection . Do analog cameras have this function?
The second issue - recording when motion / sound is detected.

suworow wrote:

Well, now that there is a recorder and it can become our "window to the world" with such a budget remains only the farewell to IP cameras and transition to analogue of higher resolution that can provide systems such as AHD, HD-CVI, HD- TVI. These cameras are much cheaper than their IP counterparts will not need a POE switch.

I understand that analog cameras are usually without the ability to drive the Internet. But is it possible to send SMS messages (sim?) Through the recorder or some other device? This is priority.

And at what price will I buy an external IP camera to monitor my entrance to my home? I got a little angry. The driveway is 50 m long, but ultimately it wants the camera to monitor the entrance to the door and the area next to it. So that she recognizes faces. Area 5 m

I apologize for entering the error - it was late:)

Something like that illuminates the way home:
https://poled.eu/pl/searchquery/60+LED+Z+CZUJNIKIEM/1/phot/5?url=60,LED,Z,CZUJNIKIEM

suworow wrote:

What will you need then?
Still 4 cameras, recorder, disk, power supply (preferably buffer from aku), some wiring, connectors, some reja box and the ability to connect the cable recorder to the router.

Exactly. Can jetses be able to offer 2 sets? One IP camera, which a little (PLN 100 / unit) outpaced the budget and analog cameras in the budget.

suworow wrote:

Immediately my friends can say that none of these cameras and taken together are not suitable for monitoring this driveway. This camera, or somehow, can handle it in the living room (provided that it is not flooded with half a sheaf of light, and the other part remains much darker), but will not it be any more discreet?

What do you mean that they are not suitable for monitoring a driveway? The picture will be pixilated, will not record anything at night?


Greetings,

Gooes wrote:

I understand that analog cameras are usually without the ability to drive the Internet

But the recorder to which they are attached has such a possibility. He will share the image from cameras on the network. send a photo, etc. (please read, for example, here on the forum about motion detection, because something I feel that maybe a colleague meet a little disappointment ). It is better to write what kind of internet you have (operator, network, upload, pings, limit) what router (the recorder must be connected by cable)

Gooes wrote:

I did not write a word badly. The driveway is 50 m long, but ultimately it wants the camera to monitor the entrance to the door and the area next to it. So that she recognizes faces. Area 5 m

It's real expectations.

At the moment, PLN 200-300 you will not buy an IP camera with even acceptable parameters, but for this money you will choose something from analogs from the offer of such companies as BCS, dahua, Hikvision, Merx etc. Read on the forum there are several similar topics and there are specific camera models.
As for the set, let's compare the parameters of the camera offered in it with the parameters of a cheap camera from Delta's offer (the choice is quite random)
https://sklep.delta.poznan.pl/kamera-ahd-hd-c...pal-apti-h13c2-36w-720p-3-6-mm_l1_p10576.html
1st type of transducer: Ivel - CMOS Delta- CMOS
2. multiplicity of Ivel transducer - no data available, Delta - 1/3
3rd model of the Ivel transducer - b / d Delta-S3130
4 resolution Ivel 1280X 720 Mpx Delta - 1280X 720 Mpx
5. Ivel processor b / d Delta HTC960E
6. Ivel view angle - no Delta data available - about 70 degrees
In the data sheet of the camera from Delta, there is also a lack of data, the parameters themselves do not throw on the knees (in the end it is only a cheap camera) but there is still a difference ...
The application will be drawn by the colleague himself.
greetings

Thanks. Within a few days I will read a bit more about the topic, read the forum and return to you if you have questions.
You have directed me a little, and that's a lot of help.

Gooes wrote:

I will read the forum and, if you have questions, will come back to you.

This forum is open and I hope that other users will be involved in the discussion so that you do not have to rely only on my opinions (maybe subjective)
I have searched for some topics related to motion detection and I have added an advertisement to this topic. Point 3 with a wide arc https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3416894.html

Thanks for resolving the issue.