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air vents for radiators - which to choose automatic or manual

cynamonik 6315 9
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Can air be sucked into a closed radiator system despite overpressure, and should I use manual or automatic air vents?

A properly pressurised closed system should not suck in air, but a poorly arranged pump/valve section can create a local underpressure and make an automatic vent admit air [#16283141][#16283204] If you want to rule out any possibility of suction and also check whether the vents are the problem, use manual vents [#16283284] If you prefer automation, choose a decent automatic vent rather than the cheapest one; one reply recommends automatic valves above PLN 30, such as a 1/2" radiator angle vent [#16283141] Another option mentioned is a Caleffi automatic vent with a hand knob that can be closed manually and then works like a regular manual vent [#16284515]
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  • Questions about air ingress and manual radiator vents

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    cynamonik
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    I am asking for advice from people experienced in installations and who do not want to get points for an answer that does not provide anything.

    Regularly 2-3 times a season, I have to vent the radiators in two different buildings that do not have ventilation risers. The installation was built on thin modern sheet radiators (steel in one building, aluminum in the other, but it probably doesn't matter). These are probably the minerals that remained on the surface after the water evaporated.

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    is it possible that air is being sucked into the system, since there is overpressure in it? water is always topped up slowly to limit the amount of air during filling.

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    what do you recommend with air vents? manual or automatic? possibly which models and manufacturers? for my part, I prefer to bleed the installation once a season than to replace the automatic air vent every few years. it also minimizes the possibility of failure.
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    Automatic vents over PLN 30 for reliable operation

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  • Questioning automatic vent behavior under vacuum conditions

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    cynamonik
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    it is possible that the installation is designed incorrectly .. but I am not an expert in this industry.

    it is certainly visible, for example, in the radiators that have a slope once towards the supply and the other time towards the vent. Unfortunately, not all radiators were able to correct the position so that the side with the vent was higher.

    some are covered and additionally the thermostatic heads are set to 4 or 5 on a 6-position scale. what you write about underpressure when switching on actually makes sense.

    only that if there is a vacuum and the amount of water is not enough, the automatic air vent will open ..?
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    Automatic air vents can admit air when water level drops

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    cynamonik
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    vacuum + opening = suction :)

    therefore, only manual operation excludes the possibility of "sucking" additional air into the system.
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    cynamonik
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    Rysiek, of course I have a closed system.

    after the season I will change the vents.

    we'll wait, maybe someone else will comment on the above interesting issue?
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  • #8 16284515
    andrzej lukaszewicz
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    http://aqua-solar.pl/technika-grzewcza/643-od...ejnika-1-2-z-zamkn-higoskopijnym-caleffi.html
    This is an automatic air vent, but may leak a little at first when fitted as it is not float but with viscose. And if necessary, it has a knob that can be easily closed by hand without tools and then works like a regular manual.
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    mirrzo

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    Pour the inhibitor into the system, maybe the link is done (the type of heaters matters)
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    cynamonik
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    Andrzej,
    thanks for the suggestions. Currently, some of the vents are caleffi .. closing and opening are realized by cellulose plates, which change thickness under the influence of moisture - a solution not well thought out in my opinion .... I described the effect after several years of use.

    Mirrzo,
    thanks for the response! can you expand the term link? is it about combining copper with aluminum?

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The discussion revolves around the choice between automatic and manual air vents for radiators in a closed heating system. Users express concerns about air accumulation in radiators, particularly in installations lacking proper ventilation risers. It is noted that overpressure in the system should prevent air from being sucked in, but improper installation can lead to issues. Recommendations lean towards automatic air vents, specifically those priced above PLN 30, while some users prefer manual vents to avoid potential failures associated with automatic models. The Caleffi brand is mentioned, with critiques regarding the design of their vents. Additionally, the importance of proper installation and the potential for air to enter the system through valves is highlighted.
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