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OPEL Z16XEP - Astra 1.6 Engine Performance Issues: Jerking, Power Loss, and Fuel Injection Time

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  • #1 16284571
    rolnikszukazony
    Level 8  
    Hello, I have a problem with the Astra with the 1.6 Z16XEP engine:
    - during parking time, sometimes the turnover drops suddenly for 2-3s
    -drives as if he had no power and I have the impression that it is getting worse
    - injection time on gasoline (I looked through the gas program) 2.25-2.35 it seems to me that it should be above 3
    - the probe behind the catalyst shows almost all the time 20mV only when driving at an even speed will jump to max 120mV for a fraction of a second and return to 20 (all the time it shows that it is too poor) - damaged?
    -the first probe oscillates normally and shows rich / poor every now and then so it falls off
    - can jerk when accelerating and after releasing gas
    - I have the impression that he is quite strong despite the prevailing weather (he does not take oil)
    - vacuum with lpg map 0.27
    - jerking when going pb / lpg and lpg / pb it wasn't there before (maybe regulation)

    It's on PB, and if I get it, I would like to take care of lpg, but for now there is nothing to try as on gas has problems. The last 300km driven on the PB itself and does not change. Recently replaced candles, all filters, cleaned throttle, replaced valve timing, checked valve clearance and only 2 mammals and 2 exhausts on different cylinders at the limit of the rest norm ok, compression ok, leakage out of exhaust. I'm most intrigued by this probe after the angle which all the time collapses that it is poor and does not oscillate. No errors on the computer. I am asking for help because I have some experience, I dug it full of topics and ideas missing.
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  • #2 16284789
    rafal35
    Level 18  
    I would not worry about the second probe because it informs about the efficiency and work of the catalyst. The first thing that comes to my mind is the problem with the spark - a damaged coil.
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  • #3 16288855
    drdrug
    Level 18  
    As a colleague wrote above, to check or replace the coil. A fairly common fault 1.6 / 1.8, see if it overheats, they like to crack and not signal with an error.
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  • #4 16289732
    ociz
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    rolnikszukazony wrote:
    - injection time on gasoline (I looked through the gas program) 2.25-2.35 it seems to me that it should be above 3

    You don't think so, short times at idle are the norm in them, even below 2ms.
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  • #5 16292013
    rob4028
    Level 25  
    Preview mix adaptations. They should be at +10 to -10.
    The most correct injection time. check error codes in the ECM, even historical ones.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    There is also the issue of leaks on the flaps.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    Or damage to probe 1 by LPG.
  • #6 16293483
    diesel022782
    Level 17  
    rolnikszukazony wrote:
    Hello, I have a problem with the Astra with the 1.6 Z16XEP engine:
    - during parking time, sometimes the turnover drops suddenly for 2-3s
    -drives as if he had no power and I have the impression that it is getting worse
    - injection time on gasoline (I looked through the gas program) 2.25-2.35 it seems to me that it should be above 3
    - the probe behind the catalyst shows almost all the time 20mV only when driving at an even speed will jump to max 120mV for a fraction of a second and return to 20 (all the time it shows that it is too poor) - damaged?
    -the first probe oscillates normally and shows rich / poor every now and then so it falls off
    - can jerk when accelerating and after releasing gas
    - I have the impression that he is quite strong despite the prevailing weather (he does not take oil)
    - vacuum with lpg map 0.27
    - jerking when going pb / lpg and lpg / pb it wasn't there before (maybe regulation)

    It's on PB, and if I get it, I would like to take care of lpg, but for now there is nothing to try as on gas has problems. The last 300km driven on the PB itself and does not change. Recently replaced candles, all filters, cleaned throttle, replaced valve timing, checked valve clearance and only 2 mammals and 2 exhausts on different cylinders at the limit of the rest norm ok, compression ok, leakage out of exhaust. I'm most intrigued by this probe after the angle which all the time collapses that it is poor and does not oscillate. No errors on the computer. I am asking for help because I have some experience, I dug it full of topics and ideas missing.
    Hello, did you consider the flow? sometimes there is damage and does not generate an error.
  • #7 16325342
    rolnikszukazony
    Level 8  
    rob4028 wrote:
    Preview mix adaptations. They should be at +10 to -10.
    The most correct injection time. check error codes in the ECM, even historical ones.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    There is also the issue of leaks on the flaps.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    Or damage to probe 1 by LPG.


    The problem is still unsolved, I come back to the topic because I have some time to bury.

    Probe 1 rather efficient because it oscillates quickly and in the correct range.

    There are no leaks on the flaps because the entire inlet was checked and sealed.

    Corrections +12 and sometimes jump, but soon they return at 12. I went to lpg and gave it richly and the corrections did not fall despite the fact that the first poll saw that it was too rich. Setting lpg poorly, the corrections went down to +20.

    Rather, I exclude the coil because after switching to lpg it probably works even better than on PB and there is no loss of ignition etc.

    I'm considering the pass, but I haven't had the opportunity to check / replace it yet.

    The second probe shows more and more often 0mv sometimes jumps to 20mv I don't know if it actually has such a reading or is damaged. As the second probe shows that it is poor, how does it relate to the catalyst? Recently popped up (from 3 months ago this error also appeared) error too low voltage on the second probe, after erasing it has not returned yet. It seems to be eligible for exchange.


    As for the previously described symptoms, however, the power is probably not lacking / is normal. However, I forgot to write earlier that the exhaust has been louder for some time and works like a sport, despite the fact that it is tight and nothing was done with it.
  • #8 16327139
    diesel022782
    Level 17  
    rolnikszukazony wrote:
    rob4028 wrote:
    Preview mix adaptations. They should be at +10 to -10.
    The most correct injection time. check error codes in the ECM, even historical ones.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    There is also the issue of leaks on the flaps.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    Or damage to probe 1 by LPG.


    The problem is still unsolved, I come back to the topic because I have some time to bury.

    Probe 1 rather efficient because it oscillates quickly and in the correct range.

    There are no leaks on the flaps because the entire inlet was checked and sealed.

    Corrections +12 and sometimes jump, but soon they return at 12. I went to lpg and gave it richly and the corrections did not fall despite the fact that the first poll saw that it was too rich. Setting lpg poorly, the corrections went down to +20.

    Rather, I exclude the coil because after switching to lpg it probably works even better than on PB and there is no loss of ignition etc.

    I'm considering the pass, but I haven't had the opportunity to check / replace it yet.

    The second probe shows more and more often 0mv sometimes jumps to 20mv I don't know if it actually has such a reading or is damaged. As the second probe shows that it is poor, how does it relate to the catalyst? Recently popped up (from 3 months ago this error also appeared) error too low voltage on the second probe, after erasing it has not returned yet. It seems to be eligible for exchange.


    As for the previously described symptoms, however, the power is probably not lacking / is normal. However, I forgot to write earlier that the exhaust has been louder for some time and works like a sport, despite the fact that it is tight and nothing was done with it.
    hello, don't really exhale, the probe also doubts, maybe the left air on the intake?
  • #9 16327426
    rolnikszukazony
    Level 8  
    Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I will have a replacement probe. The intake was tight, but still undressed and sealed again and zero difference so I exclude 99%.
  • #10 16330245
    diesel022782
    Level 17  
    rolnikszukazony wrote:
    Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I will have a replacement probe. The intake was tight, but still undressed and sealed again and zero difference so I exclude 99%.
    I get it, ok, you substitute lambade and see what happens
  • #11 16353293
    rolnikszukazony
    Level 8  
    The probe replaced is now oscillating.
    I hope that now I came across the right trail which is the fuel pump I exchanged from 0 580 314 195 to 0 580 314 082 and in total problems have started since (although I am not sure 100%). Can anyone tell me how these pumps differ because I dug through the internet and found nothing but one that costs about PLN 350 and the other PLN 800 ...?
    Nothing improves and corrections have been rising recently at +20 before it was at +12.
  • #12 16353409
    diesel022782
    Level 17  
    rolnikszukazony wrote:
    The probe replaced is now oscillating.
    I hope that now I came across the right trail which is the fuel pump I exchanged from 0 580 314 195 to 0 580 314 082 and in total problems have started since (although I am not sure 100%). Can anyone tell me how these pumps differ because I dug through the internet and found nothing but one that costs about PLN 350 and the other PLN 800 ...?
    Nothing improves and corrections have been rising recently at +20 before it was at +12.
    siema pump nothing is different except manufacturer number, and why did you replace this pump?

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around performance issues with the OPEL Astra equipped with the Z16XEP 1.6 engine, characterized by jerking, power loss, and irregular fuel injection times. Users suggest checking the ignition coil, as it is a common fault in this engine type. The first oxygen sensor appears to function correctly, while the second sensor shows low voltage readings, indicating potential issues with the catalyst or air intake. The author has replaced the second probe and is considering the fuel pump as a possible cause of the ongoing problems, having switched from one pump model to another without improvement. The discussion emphasizes the importance of checking for leaks, error codes, and proper fuel mixture adaptations.
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