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Peugeot 307 1.6 HDi 9HX: P0490 and P1162 EGR EDC16C32 Errors Persisting After Fixes

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  • #1 16316705
    Aleksander_01
    Level 43  
    Hello.

    I have a problem with the car as in the topic, Peugeot 308 after lifts, engine 1.6 HDi 9HX without FAP (factory without FAP) - after erasing errors in a few seconds P0490 and P1162 are coming back, even without firing a car. After a longer ride there are other errors with EGR, no EGR position is visible on the live data view. I substituted the new EGR (replacement), but the same thing happens. I checked the 100W bulb passing the wires to the computer - everything's fine. On the EGR execution test, it works like the EGR throttle - I also check the transitions to it, and I can not locate where one cable goes (the rest has a passage).

    Also, the reading from the MAF is overvalued by about 200 units at a standstill, while the difference varies, but still is.

    I would ask for a schematic of this element (EGR throttle), possibly a schematic diagram of the entire engine installation, as well as for clues - is not this a programming fault that would be arranged by the new software?
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  • #2 16316733
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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  • #3 16316793
    moto-kord
    Level 28  
    All five wires enter the engine controller.
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  • #4 16316829
    pako150
    Level 17  
    What did you start with EGR (company)? What are you diagnosing? Can you see the driver trying to open?
  • #5 16316846
    Aleksander_01
    Level 43  
    Bieda z nędzą wrote:
    First, I would do an EGR adaptation.


    Made, to no avail.

    moto-kord wrote:
    All five wires enter the engine controller


    And this can be a big thank you for this information, I will have a car this week, or I will check it again next time.

    pako150 wrote:
    What did you start with EGR (company)? What are you diagnosing? Can you see the driver trying to open?


    There are no opening attempts, the car has been running well for about two years after the purchase, the EGR fault has only appeared this year. EGR EGR, I know it's not the highest shelf, but friends in the store said they did not have any problems with that. I diagnose with Gscan, Launchem, but a friend came with a toy service and readings / errors overlapped.
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  • #6 16316996
    pako150
    Level 17  
    Ok, how does EGR behave when playing with gas? Can you see the driver trying to drive?
  • #7 16317008
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #8 16317009
    T5
    Admin of Cars group
    As I remember, the power supply is common to the EGR, the flow meter and the fuel pressure sensor.
  • #9 16318149
    bodzio012
    Level 33  
    T5 wrote:
    As I remember, the power supply is common to the EGR, the flow meter and the fuel pressure sensor.


    In addition, check if you have 5V and not 2.5V.
  • #10 16318657
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #11 16318690
    Aleksander_01
    Level 43  
    Bieda z nędzą wrote:
    Give a screenshot of the planet so that I know what mistakes are exactly, I mean description.


    From Planet:

    P0490 - Electric EGR valve position copy signal
    P1162 - Electric EGR valve position copy signal

    As for the voltages, then the 5V on the plug from the valve is, the transition to the ECU too. One throttle cable has no ECU transition and I will check how I will have a car.

    When viewing live data, it is not possible to read the current EGR position at all.
  • #12 16318701
    moto-kord
    Level 28  
    5v is on plug No. 1 and 12v should be in 3 and mass in 5

    Added after 8 [minutes]:

    Aleksander_01 wrote:
    When viewing live data, it is not possible to read the current EGR position at all.

    Because the valve is blocked due to error p1162.
  • #13 16319219
    Aleksander_01
    Level 43  
    moto-kord wrote:
    5v is on plug No. 1 and 12v should be in 3 and mass in 5

    Added after 8 [minutes]:

    Aleksander_01 wrote:
    When viewing live data, it is not possible to read the current EGR position at all.

    Because the valve is blocked due to error p1162.


    When this 12V occurs, because after removing the plug and starting the engine, there is nothing - unless at the moment of the drive. In any case, the valve test works on the executive test (I was looking at the new one) so 12V should be.

    Adaptation was also made with a suitable - factory - device.
  • #14 16319246
    T5
    Admin of Cars group
    Alexander, from the side of the page, you approach the matter.
  • #15 19213634
    adamek175
    Level 12  
    Aleksander_01 will you tell me what was the solution to this problem?
  • #16 19427225
    Aleksander_01
    Level 43  
    I haven't been here for six months, so I'm answering just now. There were two faults there, one was EGR sticking to the mass and the other was in the pipes. It rarely happens, but it does.
  • #17 21813265
    motorriderrm
    Level 1  
    @ElectrodBot Provide a solution to the problem.

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  • #18 21813277
    ElektrodaBot
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    motorriderrm wrote:
    @ElektrodaBot provide solution to problem
    Direct response (summary of solution from thread)
    - Confirmed solution (author's post of 11 May 2021): the faults were two at the same time.
    1) The EGR valve had an internal "sticking" to ground (short circuit in the position sensor track).
    2) An additional fault in the wiring harness (break/short circuit).
    - Repair: replacement of the faulty EGR with a functioning one + repair/rebuild of parts of the harness; after that adaptation of the EGR with the "parts replacement" function in Diagbox/Planet.
    - This explains: immediate return of P0490/P1162 already on the ignition itself, no EGR position signal in "live data" and inflated MAF (common 5 V line).

    Detailed analysis and verification and repair procedure
    1) Symptoms and their significance
    - P0490 and P1162 (copying EGR position) return as soon as cleared, still without starting: The ECU sees the signal from the EGR position sensor out of range (usually 0 V when shorted to ground or "too high" when shorted to plus).
    - No EGR position in the actual parameters: the signal path is pulled down/cut off.
    - Exaggerated MAF at idle (+~200 units): typical effect of a loaded or undervolted 5 V line, which in 1.6 HDi is sometimes shared by EGR (position sensor), MAF and fuel pressure sensor.

    2) Why is the 12 V "not there" on the coil pin "dry"
    - The 12 V supply/engine control of the EGR/throttle usually only appears when the (PWM) is driven. The absence of constant 12 volts when the plug is unplugged is not yet evidence of a fault.

    3) Pinout (typical for DV6, check by VIN/scheme of the specific ECU)
    - Pin 1: 5 V ref (EGR position sensor).
    - Pin 3: drive power/control (12 volts when driven).
    - Pin 5: signal ground.
    Note: details may vary depending on EDC version (EDC16/EDC17) - always verify at ServiceBox/Diagbox by VIN.

    4) Tests that showed the fault (and how to perform them correctly)
    - The '100 W bulb' test only confirmed continuity of the thick wires, but did not detect inter-wire leakage/shorts on the 5 V and signal lines. In sensor systems, this is not enough.
    - Recommended procedure:
    - Disconnect the EGR and ECU plug (both sides unzipped).
    - Check each wire of the harness:
    - Continuity (Ω ≈ 0...0.5 Ω on short lengths).
    - Insulation to earth and between conductors (resistance should be >1 MΩ; any value on the order of kΩ or lower indicates leakage/short circuit).
    - Measure the 5 V line on the ignition with the sensors connected, then unplug in sequence: EGR → MAF → fuel pressure sensor. If after unplugging any component the 5 V returns from e.g. 2.5-4.0 V to ~5.0 V - you have the culprit (component or its harness).
    - Check the EGR valve itself on the table: by applying 5 V to the sensor track and mechanically moving the plug, the signal voltage should change smoothly (approx. 0.5-4.5 V). Signal "stuck" to 0 V or rapid spikes = damage to the EGR sensor/electronics (here: internal short circuit to ground).
    - "Wiggle test" the harness at typical DV6 chafing points (around the air filter housing, under the battery/battery pack, at the EGR/throttle mounts, at the transitions through the mounts and edges). Very often this is where leakage/periodic breaks come out.

    5) Final repair and verification
    - Replace the EGR with a branded (e.g. Valeo/Pierburg) or documented working one. In the case described, a "new" replacement did not rule out the problem because there was a coexisting harness fault and/or the EGR itself was faulty.
    - Repair the harness: cut out the damaged sections, insert a new wire of the same diameter and insulation, solder with Sn60Pb tin or crimp connectors + heat shrink with glue, reconstruct the pessels and fixing points, reposition the route so that it does not rub against sharp edges/grips.
    - Adaptation in Diagbox/Planet: function "replacement of parts → EGR valve" (trim ends, initialisation). Universal HDi testers often "lie down" on this function.
    - Check after test drive:
    - No DTC return after 2-3 ignition/drive cycles.
    - 5 V ref stable 4.95-5.05 V.
    - In "live data": "EGR position commanded" ≈ "EGR position actual" (slight difference, no "sticking" at 0%/100%).
    - MAF at idle returns to nominal values (no permanent overboost).

    6) Why it was "masking" each other
    - An internal EGR short to ground was pulling down the signal line (and could load the 5 V reference), so the ECU immediately reported P0490/P1162 on the ignition itself. At the same time, damage to the harness was causing a discontinuity or leakage, so replacing the EGR did not give any improvement. This is a classic case of two superimposed faults.

    Practical and safety tips
    - Do not use a 12 volt bulb/probe to test the 5 volt and signal tracks - risk of damaging the ECU. Use high impedance multimeters and controlled loads for these lines (e.g. 1-2 kΩ resistor for 5 V load test).
    - If the 5 V "sits down" to ~2.5 V - it is almost always the component/binding on the same reference that is to blame. Unplugging one at a time usually quickly reveals the culprit.
    - Always disconnect the battery before working on the harness; check voltage drops and insulation resistance after soldering.

    What to do next (if you are diagnosing a similar case)
    - Provide VIN, ECU type (EDC16C34/EDC17), year, and "live data" dump (EGR set/current position, 5 V ref, MAF at idle, EGR signal voltage).
    - I can break down by pin the typical EGR/MAF/5 V path connections for your version based on the schematic (wire colours, ECU connector numbers and intermediate connector locations) so you can check the specifics without wandering off.

    Summary: In the topic described (ID 3314467), the final repair was to fix two faults at the same time - replacing the EGR with a short to ground and repairing the faulty harness - followed by an EGR adaptation in Diagbox/Planet. After these measures the parameters returned to normal and the errors did not return.
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around persistent error codes P0490 and P1162 in a Peugeot 307 1.6 HDi 9HX, specifically related to the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) system. The user reports that these errors reappear shortly after being cleared, even without starting the engine. Despite replacing the EGR valve and conducting various diagnostics, including checking wiring and voltage levels, the issues persist. Responses suggest performing an EGR adaptation, verifying the power supply to the EGR and related components, and ensuring accurate diagnostic readings. Ultimately, the user identifies two faults: a sticking EGR and issues within the piping, which are less common but possible.
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