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citroen C5 2005 - AISIN AM6 automatic gearbox failure the engine goes out

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  • #1 16336536
    bielak75
    Level 11  
    Hello,

    I have a Citroen C5 with an AM6 automatic transmission. The fault is that the engine goes out when switching from P to D. And exactly the impression as if the clutch did not work. The car immediately starts to move forward and, holding the brake, the engine is stifled and goes out due to excessive load. Did anyone have a problem with this? I bet on a damaged converter converter, because it also happens on R. The controller does not communicate any errors. But if anyone had such a defect, I would be grateful for any information.
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  • #2 16336744
    rafal35
    Level 18  
    I bet on the converter. I used to have a similar but not so drastic. The case on D slightly jerked and the revolutions waved. Twice oil changed, but I can not guarantee that this procedure will fix your problem.
  • #3 16337571
    romuald-f
    A/T specialist
    Clutches rarely fall in these boxes. To start, I would check the TCC solenoid valve, which locks up, can be locked.
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  • #4 16337672
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #5 16337697
    Dziarski Hank
    Level 34  
    Transit 2 wrote:
    Engine stalling does not cause a malfunction since the automatic transmission is once.


    Do you know how the lock-up works and what happens when it is turned on at the wrong time?
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  • #6 16337775
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #7 16337801
    Dziarski Hank
    Level 34  
    Transit 2 wrote:
    However, entering the emergency mode of the gearbox itself does not cause the engine to stall


    But incorrect (undesirable) engagement of the lock-up with the gear engaged at a standstill and at the same time held the brake already - it's like you would fasten one, hold the brake and release the clutch almost completely - you will cut the drive and choke the engine. I still get the impression that you don't know what it is and what the role of the converter lock is.

    Romuald rightly wrote what to check.
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  • #8 16337895
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #9 16337953
    Dziarski Hank
    Level 34  
    Transit 2 wrote:
    Secondly, engaging the lock-up in no way affects the engine operation and does not cause the engine to stall, once ...


    Well, no wonder where the magic will go then the rotational motion transmitted by the engine, since the engine is idling, the gearbox is fastened and the car is stationary. Normally, it is lost in the converter. What if this one is locked (lock-up)?

    I don't compare a machine to a manual, I compare the effect of a fault. I still see that you do not understand the construction and operation of the converter or its blocking and you are still stuck in yours. The automatic transmission itself, probably, too. I am finishing the discussion because there is no point. Look for a fault in this case in the engine, I will take care of the box. I wonder who gets to the cause of the fault first.
  • #10 16338017
    romuald-f
    A/T specialist
    Mr. "Transit2" you wrote: ..... Fourthly "I recommend getting interested in reading about automatic crates, which will be easier to discuss with you ..... read this reading with understanding but there is something ... a practice that makes you a champion. Please don't be mislead, because instead of helping you make a mess.
    To "bielak75" before you dismantle the box to regenerate the clutch check the TCC solenoid valve: citroen C5 2005 - AISIN AM6 automatic gearbox failure the engine goes out
  • #11 16338071
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #12 16338122
    Dziarski Hank
    Level 34  
    Transit 2 wrote:
    If the engine is idling and the D gear is engaged and the car is standing, even though we have even lock-up turned on, we are dealing with a damaged grange basket, where it begins to slide, but it will not block the engine in any way, so that the engine goes out, because the engine will continue to run and thus increase the engine speed.


    Do you read carefully or in a flash? I ask what will happen if in a functional automatic gearbox based on planetary gears, with a torque converter, you lock the forward gear, you have the engine running, you stand in a place with your foot on the brake and you can force the converter lock-up fastener. Where in this case does the motor movement (torque) die when the lock is inactive, and where will it go when you lock the lock?

    I get the impression that you confuse the lock-up of the converter with the differential locks, and that you saw the automatic transmission only from the jack side in the cabin.

    Transit 2 wrote:
    Spec, it's about time to shorten your mind.


    Maybe take care of what you can do and repair cars leave to professionals.

    Transit 2 wrote:
    And also the wheels may be blocked, where during the attempt to start the engine goes out, but we do not know about it and we do not know how the car behaves on N.


    And here I will surprise you, because you can even weld the hubs of the permanently driven axle, shift the forward or reverse gear and give the gas to the max - the engine will not go out, only the 2000-3000 rows will spin, depending on the construction of the converter. In theory, the only side effect of such an operation (known as a converter stall test) will be intensive oil heating in the converter.

    Transit 2 wrote:
    Speaking of the box, it had to block the fourth gear or three, but unreal.


    Even locking the automatic transmission in 4th gear will not stall the engine. Not only that, you should be able to move - slowly and with a lot of gas, but it will move. For sure it will not go out
  • #13 16338234
    romuald-f
    A/T specialist
    Mr. Transit2 you do not read thoroughly with understanding, you write ..... we are dealing with a damaged grange basket, ....... Not a grange but forward. Spec to Specialization . Finish the bath, save your shame.
  • #14 16338537
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #15 16338693
    Dziarski Hank
    Level 34  
    It reminds me a bit of a journalist's conversation with a politician. He asks the concise question "what will happen", expects an answer in one word or short sentence, receives an evasive twisted answer that has nothing to do with the question.

    "Your Honor, I have no more questions."
  • #16 16346113
    bielak75
    Level 11  
    Friends,
    I will present the problem again. This is not a motor fault that goes out. He is choked and goes out under load. At idle after switching from P to D forward. it's hard to stop him with the brake. The same on R. While driving everything is changing gears, accelerates, there are no signs of slipping. The problem is with stopping because the gearbox does not disconnect after pressing the brake. To stop I switch quickly to N and to move from N to D. The TCC valve, as my colleague wrote above, checked and looks at my eye, the coil is 15 ohm, unless it is mechanically damaged. zero errors
    There is clearly a problem with disconnecting it and I don't know whether to play regeneration of this converter or look elsewhere for a reason. I associate the fault with the clutch because it happens on D and R.
    Please reconsider the problem

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    I will add that the N position is everything ok, the car behaves as it should be, i.e. cool.
  • #17 16516489
    bielak75
    Level 11  
    However, the converter was the fault of the problem above. Regeneration has helped.
    However, after about two weeks of driving another problem appeared. The chest stopped working after warming up. The car goes neither forward nor backward. Errors zero. Is this the end of it? ???

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    Anyone know a workshop in Kuyavian-Pomeranian specializing in automatic boxes ???

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around a Citroen C5 (2005) experiencing issues with its AISIN AM6 automatic gearbox, specifically where the engine stalls when shifting from Park (P) to Drive (D) or Reverse (R). Users suggest potential causes including a faulty torque converter, TCC solenoid valve issues, or engine-related problems such as EGR or FAP malfunctions. The original poster indicates that the engine chokes under load but operates normally in neutral. After further investigation, it was determined that the torque converter was indeed the source of the problem, and regeneration of the converter resolved the initial issue. However, a subsequent problem arose where the gearbox ceased functioning after warming up, prompting inquiries for specialized workshops.
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