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Electric Drive Conversion for Manual Alpha 10 Hand Clipper: 1KW Motor, 1200obr, Reducer vs Gearbox

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  • #1 16359266
    Lukasz1734
    Level 9  
    Hello, I would like to set up an electric drive for a manual alpha 10 machine, I am wondering if a 1KW motor over 1200obr is enough (electric zelmerki have 1400wat). How and how to reduce turnover? The best would be to use a speed reducer? . Reducer better than gear? The gearbox takes up more space because when the engine has e.g. 1200obr, for the machine to have e.g. 80obr, you need to use large wheels, which means more space? that there was a switch on hand


    I am a little green in these subjects. Please help . If you are wrong, please move in advance thanks for your help ;)
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  • #2 16359374
    sanfran
    Network and Internet specialist
    Has your colleague thought about operator safety?
    Electric machines have a different hopper design (or what is it called there) - access is more difficult. In the manual powered by a powerful engine it is not difficult to get an accident.
    Secondly, can the manual machine mechanism adapted to the power transferred through the crank within 100W withstand a power supply with a 1kW motor

    An explanation of where 100W came from. At the gym I have various trainers with displays and I know what power I can generate on individual devices.
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  • #3 16359399
    Zygaqra
    Level 35  
    Lukasz1734 wrote:
    Reducer better than gear?
    Can you explain the difference?
  • #4 16359412
    strikexp
    Level 27  
    For such tasks it is one sensible way. Fasten the engine, fasten the machine and connect the two rotors with several belt drives.

    And as for turnover, you're right, it's hard to reduce it. Here are the ways in order from the best (and in price rather descending):
    - large induction motor + inverter
    - induction motor with gear motor
    - commutator motor with triac power supply (smooth rotation control 20-75%)
    - commutator motor with diode power supply (speed limitation around 40-50%)

    I would try to look for a gear motor at http://magma.sklep.pl/ They have a nice offer of Chinese with a gear and a chain hook. Perfect for occasional use.
  • #5 16359545
    teskot
    Level 37  
    These 1400W are just a marketing gimmick. If such a razor has 300-500W, that's all. 1400W can power drawn from the network with the engine blocked.
    The so-called. the reducer is also a gearbox, except that it is usually worm and not belt-shaped. With a motor power of about 1kW, I would expect about 50-100rpm on the screw shaft. And I would look for such a gear.
  • #6 16360452
    Tommy82
    Level 41  
    The father of alfe 10 was shooting a black and decker 1400W drill bought in the mining industry on g.
    Google doesn't even know these today.

    Frame made of angle brackets, a drill mounted on a torsion handle, a standard claw clutch with a pin made of some plastic or other webbing.
    Pigs set on the ladle turned the sausage kilometers, it was necessary to get a machine grinding "chicken rap" for a dog long after the end of the PRL.
    Drill 20 years + works only the switch twice replaced.
    As for the zelmer, it's interesting because Philips had an identico on offer.
    However, such a zelmer gives advice though I didn't make sausages and certainly safer although there is no puller as standard, but the blade pressure spring can say after years of using it does the job.
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  • #7 16362224
    janek1815
    Level 38  
    For me, the machine was attached to the front wheel of the bicycle on the V-belt and the engine. Sausages could be made until morning. At noon the pig was killed by evening and then the razor started to move. Everything secret from the authorities. A week ago I smoked ham and bacon for the first time in over 20 years. It is true that not your breeding but still free. The ham is simply a revelation. We don't remember such tasty when we ate. The next time we buy half the pig again, we decided to try to make a sausage on trial.
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  • #8 16362267
    E8600
    Level 41  
    Lukasz1734 wrote:
    electric drive for alpha 10 manual machine I wonder if 1KW motor over 1200obr is enough

    Something I can't see such a turn on such a machine. Personally, I would recommend considering such a thing (the advantage is a clutch to protect broken fingers and a much lower speed. The screwdriver can be bought cheap without a battery and converted into a mains power supply.


  • #9 16362853
    kloszi
    Level 21  
    It is better to buy a screwdriver at 230V. Googlle 230V screwdriver.
    Unfortunately, the downside is that with hard work it will soon overheat because I tried. You could use the SDS hammer just a little loud then it will walk :)
  • #10 16362907
    cirrostrato
    Level 38  
    Lukasz1734 wrote:
    Reducer better than gear? The gearbox takes up more space because when the engine has e.g. 1200obr, for the machine to have e.g. 80obr, you need to use large wheels, which means more space?
    Years ago I made various machines (I am a bit lazy and the electric motor does non stop), I even assembled gears from details, once even a double worm in one housing (gear ratio 1600 to automatic welding station). Today, if I need it, I can go to Volume and from a guest who pulls various miracles from Germany, I buy a worm gear (gear ratio 30-70, sometimes more) with a motor (150W-1.5 kW) or without, 12V / 24V power supply or 230V, they are different, prices 30-200 PLN, everything used in perfect condition. As for this alpha 10 is probably a misunderstanding to add the drive, the neighbor had (sometimes helped in the repair) meat grinder but a large, fixed to the table with four M8 screws, drive (attached under the table) 230V, turkey sticks smoothly but it was a commercial machine, not a toy.
  • #11 16363390
    E8600
    Level 41  
    The author may be interested in this article. link
    The machine is not created for high revolutions, I think 50-70 rpm maximum.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around converting a manual Alpha 10 hand clipper to an electric drive using a 1KW motor operating at 1200 RPM. Users express concerns about safety, the compatibility of the motor's power with the manual mechanism, and the effectiveness of speed reduction methods. Various solutions are proposed, including using a belt drive system, gear motors, and inverters for speed control. The distinction between reducers and gearboxes is clarified, with reducers typically being worm gears. Users also share personal experiences with similar conversions and suggest looking for gear motors from specific suppliers. The consensus is that the machine should operate at lower RPMs (50-80) for optimal performance.
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