Ford s-max keyless entry - How to additionally protect against theft

I have a keyless Ford s-max, 2013 diesel. What immobilizer to add? It does not have to be maintenance-free, usually transponders will suffice. What circuits can be cut off so that there are no errors in the computer? Where is the best way to get door sensor signals and power supply after turning on the ignition (the car only has the "start" button).

Please consider a mechanical gearbox lock, if properly established by a good company, it will certainly be a big obstacle for the foreign mower to drive away.

For the gearbox lock, I have a plan to cut off the electromagnet that locks the levers if you don't press the brake pedal. I have a slot machine.

What alarms for s-max do you recommend?
SEO Perfect CAN, Tytan DS400, AS20CAN Ster ..... what else?
What is CAN used for in these alarms? I do not want the alarm to disarm with CAN.
Someone can advise where to connect with a cable to control the indicators (cable, not CAN).

3xstory wrote:

What alarms for s-max do you recommend?

Each of those you mentioned.

3xstory wrote:

What is CAN used for in these alarms?

For communication with the car.

3xstory wrote:

I do not want the alarm to disarm with CAN.

Then you won't install this type of alarm.
You cannot install another one in such a car.

3xstory wrote:

control the turn signals (wire, not CAN)

No system controls the direction indicators on CAN

3xstory wrote:

where to connect with the wire to control the turn signals

You control sequentially - by ground impulses.
Pink wire - 13pin or brown / yellow wire - pin8 in the blue connector behind the glove box

Hello,

CameR wrote:

3xstory wrote:

I do not want the alarm to disarm with CAN.

Then you won't install this type of alarm.
You cannot install another one in such a car.

As far as I know, Tytan DS400 can be purchased in a version with additional remotes, so as not to disarm after CAN. Additionally, with the Joker remote control to authorize the built-in immo.

Greetings.

bhtom wrote:

Tytan DS400 can be purchased in a version with additional remote controls so as not to disarm after CAN.

Following this lead, it is possible to mount a "CAN-D SEO inverter" and mount any standard pilot alarm.

Not necessarily, the DS400 can be programmed to turn off the alarm with the Titan remote ONLY

Gentlemen, I think I missed a bit. I read this forum looking for something that is recommended, but as I saw the prices of these alarms, it is cannon shooting at a rabbit after all. Sorry, but 700zl for something that only makes a lot of noise and only controls the horn is too much.
What I mean- The car is keyless. So the alarm must be independent of the car installation to avoid the methods of "extending the key". That is, he can arm himself after locking himself with a Ford key (and even should), but he cannot disarm himself with a Ford key. It's supposed to trigger an alarm if the door is unlocked with a Ford key without disarming the alarm.
It is supposed to control a siren with a power supply, but I also have installations for a separate horn in the car, so it would be good for the alarm to also control the horn.
Plus cutting off some circuit.
I have a TK103B, so I would like the alarm to have an output that will control the TK103B so that it sends a text message about the alarm being triggered. The TK103B is only connected to the power supply for now.
CameR, thanks for the info on how to connect the directions. And where to get the signal about opening the door and the trunk? Is there a signal somewhere to open the door with a Ford key? And the signal after "turning the key" (keyless, diesel)?
Regarding CAN. I am an electronics engineer, but I do not know how it is in CAN alarms. Do the alarms read CAN signals or are they transmitting? I thought I read in some alarm manual that the alarm can steer directions via CAN. So what can these alarms read from CAN and what can they send to CAN? I do not care about the fountains such as closing the windows, but if he controlled the directions, the horn and the central lock, it would make installation easier.
Will Proxima USB also do the job? I also plan to add some immo with transponders, e.g. SPIT-805-is there any other? In this SPIT805, I do not like the fact that entering the service status is by attaching the transponder for> 5 seconds. The rest is ok. I would get an antenna to increase the range and SPIT would be "keyless", but then the transponder would be in range all the time, which conflicts with the service mode.
And the alarm is to be programmed without any fitter's tools. Just what's in the alarm box.
So, again, what alarm do you recommend? Must be CAN? Sorry, but 700 PLN for something that only has to control the horn is too much.

3xstory wrote:

Sorry, but 700 PLN for something that only has to control the horn is too much.

Sorry, but such things are only in .....
CHEAP, it could have been done in the Polonaise or Golf 2.
Unfortunately, the technology used by car manufacturers requires a certain standard in security systems and the so-called The "hidden button" will no longer work in modern cars.

3xstory wrote:

What immobilizer to add?

3xstory wrote:

What alarms for s-max do you recommend?

Make up your mind on something!

3xstory wrote:

Do the alarms read CAN signals or are they transmitting?

The alarms should ONLY read the CAN bus,
although there are inventions that give something there, I am afraid of such systems.

3xstory wrote:

And where to get the signal about opening the door and the trunk? Is there a signal somewhere to open the door with a Ford key? And the signal after "turning the key" (keyless, diesel)?

Install "SEO CAN-D inverter" and fit any regular analog immobilizer or pilot alarm

This is what should be done in modern cars equipped with "bazkey" systems

And wouldn't it be easier to cut off, for example, the fuel pump and simulate its presence with a suitable resistor? You can also shaft sensor or another that will stop the engine.

The proximity immo and its additional channel, after turning on the ignition in the car without disarming, turns on everything: flashers, horn and siren. Plus mechanical protection of the ECU against replacement (sheet metal, flat bar, whatever), and you cut the pump on the mass. As it is accessible from the car, as above, a flat bar and ground screws

CameR wrote:

The alarms should ONLY read the CAN bus,

If I do not want the alarm to disarm from CAN, why do I need an alarm from CAN? What will he read from CAN? I would like to ask for a substantive answer, because I do not know what these alarms do with CAN.

CameR wrote:

This is what should be done in modern cars equipped with "bazkey" systems

Again, why / what must CAN be for?

The alarm is to disarm only from the alarm remote.
Trigger the door switches (even if they were opened with the original key), the trunk and the engine, and the ultrasonic sensors.
Control the siren and the TK103B. And that's it.

andrzej20001 wrote:

The proximity immo and its additional channel, after switching on the ignition in the car without disarming, turns on everything: blinkers, horn and siren.

Too late, the siren is supposed to go off after opening the door.
The pump is such a well-worn circuit that surely they know how to get around it in the dark.
He wants to block the automatic gearbox electromagnet, connect the start button so that pressing it will sound the horn, and cut off the starter.

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Where in this car is the central locking controlled?

CameR wrote:

Alarms should ONLY read the CAN bus, although there are inventions that give something there, but I am afraid of such systems.

It looks like the DS400, however, transmits via CAN, otherwise it does not control the central locking.