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LTE router with external antenna output + external wifi antennas, preferably WiF

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  • #1 16450701
    pawelktr
    Level 8  
    Hello, I am looking for an LTE router that has an output / output for external antennas (outside the building) + additional antennas for external wifi instead of internal (built-in router) because I would like to have wifi in the whole house (ground floor + floor) ideally if wifi was in AC standard though it is not necessary. I plan to buy internet at Play. The location is Ustroń, Belwederska. I have about 1.1km to the transmitter in a straight line. What external antenna do you recommend for this?
    The budget I wanted to spend on it is about 400 + antenna PLN 100-150
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  • #2 16450866
    matek451
    Level 43  
    And why should there be external antennas for WiFi? A two-story large house covers the ground floor of the router and an additional AP connected via LAN, cable with router or PLC transmitters over the electric network is installed on the first floor. What is the offer from Play? Subscription, pre-paid? Did you do LTE Playa tests at home, what signal parameters at home, what LTE band do you use and what speeds? In Ustroniu Play it has licenses for LTE1800, LTE2100 and LTE800.
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  • #3 16451243
    m.jastrzebski
    Network and Internet specialist
    pawelktr wrote:
    Hello, I am looking for an LTE router that has an output / output for external antennas (outside the building) + additional antennas for external wifi instead of internal (built-in router) because I would like to have wifi in the whole house (ground floor + floor) ideally if wifi was in AC standard though it is not necessary. I plan to buy internet at Play. The location is Ustroń, Belwederska. I have about 1.1km to the transmitter in a straight line. What external antenna do you recommend for this?

    WiFI AC is only 5Ghz. 5Ghz works much less well in homes and is more strongly suppressed on obstacles (e.g. walls) than 2.4Ghz. Outdoor antennas will not help - you will not cover the coverage of a 2-story house. You can see the network with "one dash" everywhere but it will work very slowly. With the decrease of the WiFi signal level, it goes in lower and slower modes. It may happen that it is true but the slowest mode N, and it will practically go 1mbit / s with a long delay. In addition, antennas with higher gain radiate in a narrower angle. So the floor above / below may be the opposite of expectations. Antennas in routers have a gain of 2-4dbi. You will lose a dozen db on one stone wall.

    As mothers wrote, if you want to have fast WiFi, you place so many access points connected by cable to the main router to have a high signal level everywhere (not in lines because they depend on the inventor's creativity of these lines) only in physical units. I recommend WiFI scanning apps for phones.

    If you stay with WIFi N, aim at 2.4Ghz. A better chance of covering the whole house, but it will work slowly in some nooks and crannies.
    How it works quickly is no more than 1 wall to the router.
  • #4 16452980
    pawelktr
    Level 8  
    Thank you gentlemen for valuable information.
    @ matek451 - and what does it matter whether it is a subscription or a pre-paid offer? Do they both have different parameters i.e. speed etc.? I was thinking about the subscription because a friend ends the contract on the phone and they have presented him with an interesting extension offer where for a small fee he will get an additional SIM card on the internet.
    External antennas because the house is not big and I hope that when I connect a large antenna (which I already have anyway) it will catch the signal on the floor. I did not do the tests as such, but on the phone "on 1 line" catches LTE outside it is definitely better - hence I want an external antenna for LTE.

    @ m.jastrzebski - here you surprised me that 5Ghz has a weaker range than 2.4Ghz, but I read a bit about it and of course you are right - for which I thank you.

    Therefore, what would you recommend - which router / antenna?
  • #5 16453046
    matek451
    Level 43  
    At Play, on the Pre-paid RBM card, the Free LTE Internet service without limit is about PLN 5 / month. In this Duo Formula, an additional internet card costs PLN 25 / month, without equipment. additional 10 PLN / month for equipment (24 installments) and once for B310 49 PLN, B315 for 99 PLN. Routers with LTE-A mean much higher costs, for B618 it is 459 PLN and 299 PLN for B525, E5186. If you choose without equipment, you will pay 25 PLN / mth, 5 times as much as for DIL. In addition, in DIL 100GB guaranteed with full LTE speed available at your place, then a 2Mb / s funnel is possible but it is not obligatory. In practice, up to 200GB max. 100GB rigid subscription and 1Mbps funnel right away. A colleague explained to you that replacing external antennas for WiFi is a poor idea for improving coverage at home. I'm not interested in dashes on the phone, only tests using Network cell Info with LTE signal parameters, what LTE band is, and speed test. test outside and at home. The choice of antenna depends on it. Its cost is about 200 PLN. A router with LTE costs from PLN 250 for B315, for LTE-A, i.e. with band aggregation of about PLN 400-500 for B525, those from T-mobile.
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  • #6 16453192
    jprzedworski
    Network and Internet specialist
    pawelktr wrote:
    here you surprised me that 5Ghz has a weaker range than 2.4Ghz
    The higher the frequency, the harder the wave penetrates the obstacles. But on 5 GHz there are more channels to choose from and a smaller crowd. In a densely populated block better 5 GHz, in a single-family house (neighbors much further) better 2.4 GHz
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  • #7 16453289
    pawelktr
    Level 8  
    @ matek451 - thanks a lot for your suggestions on this RBM offer - I understand that this is the one described here: http://aero2forum.pl/temat-lte-prawie-za-darmo-w-red-bull-mobile - if this is the case any 16-17 PLN / mth - it's great as for unlimited LTE. As for the last post, I have a question - is it worth your spending 2x $ for router with aggregation of bands (LTE-A)?
    As for the tests - I won't be able to do them until next week - I will definitely share the results here. As for the other parameters - I will connect to this transmitter: http://beta.btsearch.pl/bts/details/30771/
    So the router has already narrowed down to B315 or B525 it has been an antenna yet :)
    Thanks again, gentlemen - I was looking for various devices / antennas on the net, but their multitude overwhelmed me a bit, so you have already helped me - just the selection of this antenna and everything will be

    Added after 5 [minutes]:

    And one more thing - on the aforementioned page the guy wrote

    Quote:
    In practice, LTE flies at around 18mbps, and sends data at around 8mbps


    Fasting is a bit old - has anything changed since then in terms of speed?
  • #8 16477356
    pawelktr
    Level 8  
    Hello again.

    I did tests with a program that @ matek451 he recommended me (Network Cell) and I upload screenshots

    Outside:
    LTE router with external antenna output + external wifi antennas, preferably WiF LTE router with external antenna output + external wifi antennas, preferably WiF LTE router with external antenna output + external wifi antennas, preferably WiF
    Inside the house:
    LTE router with external antenna output + external wifi antennas, preferably WiF LTE router with external antenna output + external wifi antennas, preferably WiF LTE router with external antenna output + external wifi antennas, preferably WiF
    As for the router, the B525 will probably be the best option. Please help me choose the right antenna, because I don't know anything about it.
  • #9 16477844
    matek451
    Level 43  
    You connect outside with two BTSs, on the first screens on LTE800, on the second one is another BTS on LTE1800 addition. At home, the connection to the latter but on LTE800. What speed it's hard to say which BTS, LTE Play on them is unverified. you would have to do tests on the nearest Play BTSs to verify them.
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  • #10 16477952
    pawelktr
    Level 8  
    The phone apparently switched in the meantime - I did not notice it.
    Seriously, is it so hard to choose one without it? There must be an ideal. I just don't know what amplification, whether directional or any other, and that would be enough

    Or something like that:
    http://new-electric.pl/pl/anteny-gsm-3g-4g-lt...20-dbi-gsm-umts-z-kablem-lmr240-15m-crc9.html
    or maybe something like this:
    http://new-electric.pl/pl/glowna/851-antena-20dbi-kierunkowa-thunder-10m-crc9.html
    http://allegro.pl/antena-zewnetrzna-ultra-lte-4g-mimo-regulacja-kata-i6710106790.html

    I don't know what parameters to look for.
  • #11 16478320
    matek451
    Level 43  
    It is easy to choose the antenna when you have full information and this is shown in the tests. You have a weak signal at home, in addition to the LTE800 band, which is slower than LTE1800. On LTE800 Play it has DL up to 37.5Mbps with 5MHz bandwidth in MIMO and on LTE1800 twice as much. On both BTS in Ustroń, Kotschego, Zabytkowa 23 and Czantoria both these bands operate (probably also LTE21000). It is known that the choice of antenna is Dual LTE1800 or COMBO Dual LTE1800 + LTE800 antenna operating in these two bands for aggregation LTE1800 with LTE800. if B525 with LTE-A is to be used. But it is only after purchasing the router, there are appropriate programs that allow it to force these bands and LTE-A 1800 + 800. 99% of people don't do it, they buy the shit you linked to and then they are surprised. These are rubbish, not antennas, and salesmen are masters of pushy marketing. The description of this scrap is a piece of crap. No reasonable person buys antennas from such sellers. Garbage not worth even 1 PLN.
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  • #12 16478452
    pawelktr
    Level 8  
    Thanks so much for a handful of information. You can see that you know the subject pretty well :) You are right 99% of people buy such and no other antennas because they just do not know - I also do not know what to look for when buying and for this such forums as this - probably a lot of people in the future will come here and probably not be useful .
    Since we know that LTE1800 is 2x faster, it is known that I have to focus on it - is LTE2100 even faster? The nearest BTS is the one you wrote about, i.e. http://beta.btsearch.pl/bts/details/30844/
    Could you give some example of a good antenna? (preferably DUAL, which will use aggregation?
    The program you wrote about - to force a specific band - installs directly in the router, I suppose? Could you give me a name? Although with the B525 - it will probably connect to LTE800 and LTE1800 and add up speed - yes?
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  • #14 16483311
    matek451
    Level 43  
    B618 is the most advanced router. The Sorensen type antenna works fine but I do not recommend this seller. I asked him many times about its antennas, I even bought COMBO LTE1800 + 800. He did not deign to answer any professional question.
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  • #15 16494746
    pawelktr
    Level 8  
    @ matek451 I will probably decide on this B618 because prices are similar because 525 if you look good. As for this antenna - this transmitter is in a straight line 1.1 km from me and has LTE max 2100 band, while at a distance of about 5 km there is another transmitter with LTE2600 band - the question is whether it is worth buying an antenna up to 2600 if the transmitter is 5x further ? Will the frequency compensate for a much greater distance?
    What about x-cross antennas (http://allegro.pl/4g-lte-ultra-antena-x-cross-3g-2x16dbi-zte-huawei-i6147267832.html) are better?
  • #16 16495221
    matek451
    Level 43  
    The basic question is whether BTS LTE2600 Play works in Goleszów, you need to do a phone test under it. After ECI, you can verify that this band works. These are trash, not antennas. Traders like Signaflex offer Chinese scrap metal and the auction description is a piece of crap.
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  • #17 16495238
    pawelktr
    Level 8  
    I spoke to this seller from http://allegro.pl/antena-mimo-lte-2x17-huawei-b525-e5186-mf283-8m-i6747939491.html - these are not Sorensen only their production apparently, so I do not know whether to pack in addition, this particular one does not aggregate with 2 bands - for this must be COMBO 800 + 1800 (apparently in play-u LTE2100 does not aggregate). So what to choose, a sorensen or cybertech and nothing else?
  • #18 16495471
    mk64
    Level 14  
    matek451 wrote:
    I even bought COMBO LTE1800 + 800.

    Do you recommend this antenna?
  • #19 16495798
    matek451
    Level 43  
    He once sold them as Sorenseny. The LTE1800 + LTE800 aggregation gives little, as you write COMBO to it, I have it, but there is no madness. I use Cybertech for LTE1800. You have to decide for yourself, LTE1800 on a dual LTE1800MHz antenna rather without problems.
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around finding an LTE router with external antenna outputs and additional external WiFi antennas to ensure comprehensive coverage in a two-story house. The user is considering options from Play, with a focus on routers like the B315, B525, and B618, and is seeking recommendations for suitable external antennas. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding LTE bands (LTE800, LTE1800, LTE2100) and the impact of frequency on signal penetration and speed. They advise against relying solely on external WiFi antennas for home coverage, suggesting instead the use of multiple access points connected via LAN. The user is particularly interested in antennas that support LTE aggregation for improved performance.
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