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Connecting Thermal Protection to ABB MS1 16-20 Manual Circuit Breaker for 2.2kW Single-Phase Motor

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  • #1 16463088
    Alek_H
    Level 8  
    Hello and help, please.
    I have a single-phase ~ 230V / 50Hz motor with 2.2kW 2820 rpm burned, current according to the rating plate: 15.3A. The motor has two 45 micronF capacitors installed.
    The start winding and work winding are burnt. After disassembly for rewinding, it turned out that there is also a thermostat connected to the winding but not connected to the control box. I decided to improve this protection at the stage of winding replacement by performing control in the breaker box.
    The ABB MS1 16-20 manual circuit breaker is located in this motor breaker box. It looks like the picture below:
     Connecting Thermal Protection to ABB MS1 16-20 Manual Circuit Breaker for 2.2kW Single-Phase Motor
    How to attach the above thermal protection to this switch? Should the auxiliary contacts HK1-20 be used for this? (picture)
     Connecting Thermal Protection to ABB MS1 16-20 Manual Circuit Breaker for 2.2kW Single-Phase Motor
    Is this the right accessory for this purpose? I do not want to change the switch because it fits well in the housing and there is still space on the rail for such contacts.
    The circuit breaker has these two connection diagrams assigned to a single-phase motor:
     Connecting Thermal Protection to ABB MS1 16-20 Manual Circuit Breaker for 2.2kW Single-Phase Motor
    Thank you in advance for your interest and kind response.
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    #2 16463129
    Hajna
    Level 24  
    What temperature is the thermal sensor at? It must be connected to the control circuit of the contactor
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    #3 16463139
    qadam12
    Level 27  
    Auxiliary contacts are used to control the contactor, signaling circuits, etc., you don't need them / if you don't have a contactor /. The machine switch / on the photo above / is in itself a thermal and overload protection - it must be properly adjusted to the motor and its load.
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    #4 16463151
    dlubacztv
    Level 11  
    Hello
    Depending on the type of thermal protection - ordinary TK contact or PTC protection (additional transducer needed)?
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  • #5 16464897
    Alek_H
    Level 8  
    I am sorry that yesterday I did not immediately respond to the responses to my program, but today I am only in contact with the workshop where my engine is being revamped.
    Indeed, on this switch, in the lower left corner below the knob, there is a setting element with such positions 10, 12, 14, 16A.
    The value of thermal protection (the one that burned in the old winding) I do not know, because it is completely melted.
    I will tell you in an hour what security the workshop has established.
    I can't indicate which auxiliary windings. I give below the diagram from the catalog card of this switch.
     Connecting Thermal Protection to ABB MS1 16-20 Manual Circuit Breaker for 2.2kW Single-Phase Motor
    Thank you for your interest.
    Added after 2 [minutes]:
    Hajna wrote:
    What temperature is the thermal sensor at? It must be connected to the control circuit of the contactor

    I will determine in an hour with the workshop what thermal sensor they have put into the winding.
    Which of these pins is the control circuit?
     Connecting Thermal Protection to ABB MS1 16-20 Manual Circuit Breaker for 2.2kW Single-Phase Motor

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    Hajna wrote:
    Is there a cam controlling the auxiliary relay on the left side of the switch.

    I can't see the cam there. Both sides of this switch are smooth and labeled.

    Added after 5 [minutes]:

    dlubacztv wrote:
    Hello
    Depending on the type of thermal protection - ordinary TK contact or PTC protection (additional transducer needed)?

    I will determine today what kind of fuse this is.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    I am adding a datasheet for this switch.
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  • #7 16465263
    Alek_H
    Level 8  
    Thanks for the advice. Good thermostat. If it would still accumulate subsequent shutdowns in memory, so that you can download logs via USB, I would install it immediately.

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    Hajna wrote:
    What temperature is the thermal sensor at? It must be connected to the control circuit of the contactor

    The thermal sensor is mounted in the winding at 130oC.

    Added after 12 [minutes]:

    dlubacztv wrote:
    Hello
    Depending on the type of thermal protection - ordinary TK contact or PTC protection (additional transducer needed)?

    When I watched this burnt sensor it looked like (googled) PTC protection. Such a similar (even several in a row) intends to install a workshop rewinding the engine.
    But I understand that this switch can control excessive current in the motor stator and control the temperature of this winding through a sensor in the winding? It is only a matter of setting the current range switch on the front and connecting the sensor with it.
  • #8 16465438
    Hajna
    Level 24  
    Motor protection is based on the principle.
    1. The thermal protection works when the motor current is exceeded, it is set depending on the conditions to 1.1 In or in hazardous rooms to 0.9 In, for example, when the motor is under a greater load as its rated power.
    2. The thermal sensor built into the motor windings is designed to turn off the engine when e.g. it has a lot of starts in a short time, or its fins are dirty and the temperature discharge is small. The control circuits plug in auxiliary safety contacts, which will turn off the device or machine in an emergency damage.
  • #9 16465439
    qadam12
    Level 27  
    Alek_H wrote:
    But I understand that this switch can control excessive current in the motor stator

    Yes
    Alek_H wrote:
    control the temperature of this winding through a sensor in the winding?

    No . An additional device is needed
  • #10 16465441
    Hajna
    Level 24  
    In point 2. sorry winding temperature sensor.
  • #11 16467185
    Alek_H
    Level 8  
    I understood that I had to add to the existing manual switch a thermostat (TER7) connected to a PTC sensor in the winding. Of course, if there will be room in the housing.
    I like this solution.
    Thank you very much for advice and commitment. For my part, the topic may be closed. Greetings.
  • #12 16467538
    Hajna
    Level 24  
    In the motor circuit you can connect a lot of protections against overload, temperature, loss of one phase, under current, etc.
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  • #13 16515238
    Alek_H
    Level 8  
    I followed the advice. I set the circuit breaker to the required max. Current load. The temperature sensor is mounted in the winding. I will mount an element in the box cooperating with this sensor and switching off the motor when the winding overheats. Thank you. I close the topic.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around connecting thermal protection to an ABB MS1 16-20 manual circuit breaker for a 2.2kW single-phase motor. The user seeks advice on integrating a thermostat, which was previously unconnected, into the control box. Responses clarify that the circuit breaker already provides thermal and overload protection, and the thermal sensor should be connected to the control circuit. The user plans to use a PTC sensor for temperature monitoring and a thermostat (TER7) to enhance protection. The importance of setting the circuit breaker to the appropriate current load is emphasized, along with the potential for additional protections against various electrical faults.
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