ITAN ORANGE cable is broken. Has anybody made anybody here with a man?

Hello. Today, during excavation work on the construction site, I picked up the excavator with two 4-core teleinformation cables from Orange. Unfortunately, the cable is on the land development plan, although at a depth of about 40 cm without any protection or warning tape. I called them, it was reported. I immediately asked the consultant who would pay for it, the answer was Orange that I would not pay anything. Nice surprise but OK. After some time, the fitter calls me and asks where it happened and how and that Orange will probably invoice me for it. But after a short conversation, we talked to him that he would come to me on the plot, connect, take PLN 200 and withdraw the application. Well, the questions that arise for me:
1. Would I really be charged with the costs of such repair, would the whole procedure and God know what it would cost?
2. As the owner of the plot, I never signed an easement agreement with Orange or TPSA, the previous owner did the same. Despite this, the cables run through my plot half a meter behind my fence. Is it worth sending a letter to them to explain which law there are in the absence of any document or entry in the land and mortgage register?

For earthworks, the basic principle is to make transverse probes to accurately locate the existing utilities. What about the fact that at the stage of building the cable was correctly laid out, since over the years someone has collected, for example, 30 cm of earth. Sorry, but unfortunately you will have to bear the repair costs. I do not investigate whether it is an official or unofficial route.

opornik7 wrote:

if, over the years, someone has collected, for example, 30 cm of land.

You divulged it.
Cable too shallow and without tape!

I have dealt with such cases more than once. You would get an invoice. Normally you sign a document that you are guilty of breaking etc. The cable was on the plans so you would not run away from it. If you do not want to sign it, the police are called to make a note and the case lands in court.
But, sometimes it's just like when there's a piercing and 4-wire cable, this thing gets twisted.
Because the fitter does not want to play the popierdołki, which he does 20 minutes, unless you called the helpline and accepted the damaged / vandalism Only that it also depends on the Orange employee "supervisor" technical partner, because Orange alone does not have fitters. Everything in outsourcing.
I say yes, you would tell the fitter that you would give 100 or 50 PLN and he would do it. Otherwise, he would do it on behalf of Orange and get "nothing".
And most importantly, very often I met with the fact that a larger contractor is insured against such cases. Only the bigger ones can break the entire sewerage, fiber optics inside, cables for 1000 pairs and wells to sink, etc. Costs? About 10,000 and better.

Włodzimierz Wojtiuk wrote:

You divulged it.

I did not bode anything Simply by doing projects and cost estimates, I ALWAYS take into account the performance of the probes even when, for example, water, gas or sewage on the map is drawn 2m from my pole. Life has taught me that theory very often misses practice.

From my own experience (and I made a bit of this crap) I will say that if a given medium is not in accordance with the regulations, I will never pay for breaking it.
If it is at the wrong depth or there is no warning film, or (very common) the film lies directly on the cable or pipe, I never agree to pay for the damage.
I always do an exact photographic documentation of the place of the incident with the application of the scoop, and I do not agree to the burden even though I have bought OC.

masonry wrote:

From my own experience (and I made a bit of this crap) I will say that if a given medium is not in accordance with the regulations, I will never pay for breaking it.
If it is at the wrong depth or there is no warning film, or (very common) the film lies directly on the cable or pipe, I never agree to pay for the damage.
I always do an exact photographic documentation of the place of the incident with the application of the scoop, and I do not agree to the burden even though I have bought OC.

And that is, I think, the right approach.
Let everyone do it according to art, there will be no ambiguity.

Such cables usually lie deeper, about 80-120 cm. And the warning foil is often buried with the cable. Personally, I once participated in such a burial but I had nothing to talk about. For my statement that as the excavator operator will dig up the foil, it will be shrugged on the cable and that's it. Plans are on paper and life is life. The dig has crossed the road several times because it fell out in huge trees. The intersections of the road were marked with concrete pillars. Today there is no trace of them and the cable is. How is a professional team digging this copy to 120. How to take random people for 5 PLN / m of digging is a copy of 40. That's what the TPS once did. I do not know what are the rates today and whether there are any companies renting people with shovels, but it was still 15 years ago.

Write a letter and tell them to take or pay for the lease. Contact the lawyer first. A friend won the cash for heating pipes.

Well, let me tell you a real-life case. From that year.
Damaged optical fiber during earthworks - new surface. It turned out that connection welding is not possible due to existing connections on the route and new connection is not possible. Effect: replacement of 1200 meters of optical fiber to the nearest connection. Invoice PLN 150,000. Fortunately for the company that she had insurance. And the insurer covered the costs.

funak wrote:

Well, let me tell you a real-life case.

Do you need to make transverse probes before digging?
The company has not paid, but it will increase for the next year.

It's good that the SN cable did not plow.
At least no one was killed.