Running a Cable Across Countryside Street: Regulations and Safety Measures

I want to run a cable across the street in the countryside between two single-family houses. The question is whether it is possible or do I need to register it somewhere or will no one come to me and cut my cable.

Hello

"officially" is not easy

how am i supposed to understand this stall - overhead road??

is it a national road? inner housing estate (SM)
if by air - due to regulations - you can't do such a thing - only at your own risk - that is, if a kind neighbor does not report, or a passing official does not pay attention to it - then you can enjoy your cable even for many years - I'm skipping other weather situations...

if you want to make a jacking - also without permits, do it under the cover of night with this solution, you will be able to enjoy the Internet for many years, until they start laying or replacing installations such as gas, water, telekomuna or cable and they do not hook your "miracles" :)

if you want to approach the subject "legally" - prepare a few thousand zlotys and about 6 months of settling the papers - design, arrangements, lane occupancy and other items

Regards

Skorek wrote:

I want to run a cable across the street in the countryside between two single-family houses. The question is whether it is possible or do I need to register it somewhere or will no one come and cut my cable.

The easiest way is to get an angle grinder with a diamond disc and cut the asphalt or whatever is there for 5-10mm, push the cable and pour Abizol or whatever the road surface is made of.
A moment of fear, low costs and saving money on mental health when dealing with bureaucrats

It is probably a country road, I emphasize with asphalt She's not quite a commune. I was thinking airborne.
Unfortunately, I have a nosy neighbor who is about to call the city guard.
And maybe the Mayor has something to say, maybe he'll let me.
And if so, what will be the penalty for me?

Skorek wrote:

.................... And, if so, what penalty will I face for it.

difficult question..... as if it's not yours!! so you have to scream
it all depends on people and folks, if you don't have a complete clue .... bureaucrats, they'll probably cut it out or make you download it otherwise .... I don't know

ask the mayor - although he probably has nothing to say, and once you explain the topic to him, you will probably be on the wallpaper

For now, thanks a lot, we'll live and see.

First of all, in order to connect a computer network cable, you must have a permit from the city / commune office
secondly, in order to have them, you need to prepare a construction plan costing PLN 1,000 - several thousand (procedure similar to the one described in the "Law / City Hall" section)
thirdly, every owner of anything underground must agree - TPSA, sewage system, power plant ...
fourthly, call your UM/G and ask about all this in the road transport work and they will already discourage you
fifthly, if you already get this permit, you have to put this cable underground somehow, it will still cost money because they won't let you do it yourself
sixth, the total cost is from 5,000,000 and upwards and 6 months of waiting

and at the end, if you put it on yourself..and they can't do anything to you. At most, admonish (you will have colostrum before your parents) and take (steal) the cable. the consequences of this practically none, only forced demolition ..... unless they count the deterioration of the road ....

It's not better to use radio transmission. Less hassle, less running but a little more cash...

For this purpose, it is best to have a hose with high water pressure and PVC pipes from the sewage system. We start with digging on one side and push the PVC pipe, while giving high water pressure through it, flushing the sand to the other side. In this way, we sink 1-meter segments of PVC pipes with a diameter of 5-10 cm under the road. Worse, if the pipe meets stones on the way, then you need to apply higher pressure and try to push it by hitting the pushing block with a hammer.
In order not to cause damage to the road, it is better to do it at least 1 meter below the surface. We push the pipes with the sharp end, adding 1 segment at a time, we connect them together, preferably with liquid Ludwik or another slip agent.
Oh, it's best to do it in the summer because the case is quite wet and it's better to avoid colds from getting wet.
It is best to practice the operations somewhere in the field before we start the actual assembly. Alternatively, for the end of the hose, we can use 1 m of hard pvc pipe from cold water 1/2 inch and some sprinkler to raise the water pressure to a straight strong and sharp stream.
Running water may be too weak to make a strong stream that could move 1 kg of stones, but a good Karcher pressure washer is suitable for this, which can even knock over a person.

I offer you a black cable, black clamps that you only pull on and tighten the plastic ones, you go to your cabin and start to pin the cable after the telephone cable, because they certainly go on the poles, if you can't do it during the day, then at night, and if not at night, then on Sunday when the neighbor goes to church cheers, just pull over the telephone poles, believe, you will not see and no one looks worse if there is a failure, but if something is not your cable, it has already been

fisto wrote:

I offer you a black cable, black clamps that you only pull on and tighten the plastic ones, you go to your cabin and start pinning the cable after the telephone cable, because they are definitely going on the poles, if you can't do it during the day, then at night, and if not at night, then on Sunday when the neighbor goes to church cheers, just pull over the telephone poles, believe me, you won't see it and no one looks worse if there is a failure, but if something is not your cable, it was already

Such a solution will not survive until the next spring or storm. I know several providers who ran cables in this way and replaced half of the equipment every year. After a little rain with discharges, nothing worked properly.

doxent wrote:

.................... Worse, if the pipe encounters stones on the way, then you need to apply higher pressure and try to push it by hitting the pushing block with a hammer ..... ............

and even worse when you find a PVC - gas pipe, :(

colleagues hit the mark - nothing happened - they only evacuated the school and stopped the traffic for 3/4 of the day cost and consequence - that's another story :(


you must be sure that nothing passes under the road - otherwise don't risk it......

Fisto, I really like your idea because I have the right conditions for it: na
there is a tepsa pole on my plot and the telephone cable going from it goes straight to
my neighbor. From your method, I can only use it, please
for small details, i.e. (I will buy a black network cable - will I need the white ones
repaint the clamps you mentioned are enough to put on the ends of the cable
at certain intervals.

Doxent, your idea is also very good, but if everything goes well, I will implement it
into effect in the summer. It takes a little more work but is more reliable.

welcome back

you would have to check the strength of the load-carrying cable, what is the distance between the poles???
you do not have to repaint the cable, it is important to attach it evenly and relatively often to the existing cable with a cable.

it depends on what height you have to do it - if you can reach it from the ladder, it's ok - but it will be a bit time consuming and relatively difficult to do
the best solution is to remove the current cable, attach your cable to a safe height - with self-tightening ties - and re-suspend the whole thing - if it is not feasible, then buy a steel wire (or a more expensive cable) calmly in your yard, connect the whole thing with ties every 40.50 cm ( first unwind both the strand and the wire well - in order to "straighten" the whole) on one side prepare an "eyelet" on the wire in order to put it on the hook

You put on an eyelet, pull the whole thing across the street and pull it properly on the other side - make sure that your cord is evenly stretched with the current telephone

of course, before starting work, measure the cable well, leave yourself some spare
Regards

Hello. Reading some posts with "partisan" advice, my hair stands on end. After all, methods such as: cutting the asphalt, pushing a pipe under a road (including a municipal road) without permission, etc. are breaking the law and in the event of discovery, the penalty is disproportionately higher than the cost of WLAN cards and I recommend such an installation as the cheapest without later legal consequences. Also - do you think that a regular UTP or FTP cable is suitable for working outdoors in changing climatic conditions? Think carefully before you do anything. Regards

Of course, the shielded cable must be, after all, it is known, I attached an ordinary network cable to the cables from the cable cable gray to black.
Some grandpa was spitting because he was disturbed by the TV when I clamped it but it's nothing and I used a regular UTP cat5 cable. This cable goes outside and somehow works

It kind of works right now We'll talk next year or in autumn when the insulation cracks in the cold and the cable "drags" water. How to do something properly (after all, you can also eat soup with a fork, and you prefer a spoon, right?)

But I can tell you that in a year this cable will be gone
And once it will be routed inside the block on the staircases in PVC pipes, because I plan my whole block connecting to the network and of course the net

arturs69 wrote:

It kind of works right now We'll talk next year or in autumn when the insulation cracks in the cold and the cable "drags" water. How to do something properly (after all, you can also eat soup with a fork, and you prefer a spoon, right?)

Hello

no exaggeration mate the insulation of computer twisted pairs does not differ much from telephone ones, which have been hanging overhangs or are routed around the building (outside) for several (or more) years

I can show you places where they have been buried in the ground for several years and they work!!! - of course, this is not the correct installation - but this is the reality

Regards

There are cables intended for laying in the ground (even without a sewage system), self-supporting overhang cables with a supporting cable and building cables. UTP should definitely not be used outdoors. The resemblance to a telephone cable is deceptive. These are completely different materials (I am talking specifically about external insulation). In addition, external cables are usually gelled so that they do not "draw" water. I know this from practice, not from theory and looking at the wires on the poles.

Exactly, my cable hangs outside for almost 3 years and nothing happens. It is attached to a steel cable in insulation and stretched from roof to roof over the street and power line. Assuming in this way, I counted on the fact that after 2 years it would have to be replaced. It lasts longer and is ok. The only problem is the length. It has 80 meters in total, of which 60 are outside and there are overvoltages, so I have to buy a new power cord once a year (PLN 32). The fastest and simplest method, unless a friend puts on a radio

you know, don't give a crap about this cracked cable in my place, normally one internet provider, luckily not mine, dropped the cable block by block to the very bottom so that the type had a net on the ground floor and this cable has been hanging for 3 years and it's rather not cracked because I'm walking exactly next to my window and it's scary napier ... like the wind against the windowsill, I wanted to cut off more than once and say that it disturbs the silence of the night so don't worry about the telecoms detecting the cable or something, don't worry about my friend's 2 years apart SDI was walking on the poles almost in the center of my town to the other side of the road and by the way you can just hook the cable on the line and tighten it as much as possible and no one will stick to it, at least it shouldn't, just hang it high so that nothing catches as it goes, it will be the best and if someone gets hit, then you take it off and let it go on the poles

On Allegro they sell a twisted pair for external use, black.

Hello

arturs69 wrote:

There are cables intended for laying in the ground (even without a sewage system), .

does your friend say that you can put other wires into the sewage system than typical to the ground???

nothing more wrong!!!! wires inserted into the sewage system or PVC pipes are most exposed to damage such as flooding or getting wet with water.

In the sewage system, e.g. telecommunication or cable TV, there are sections of pipes or wells in which water "stands" - a cable that is damaged (the insulation is scratched or destroyed) directly in the water, loses its parameters very quickly or is destroyed. The same situation applies to wires laid in PVC pipes - the connections of these pipes are not hermetic, such a pipe "collects" water on the basis of typical drainage - unfortunately, water in such a pipe lasts a long time - the effects are the same as above :(

arturs69 wrote:

cables for overhangs, self-supporting with supporting and building cables. UTP should definitely not be used outdoors. The resemblance to a telephone cable is deceptive. These are completely different materials (I am talking specifically about external insulation).

yes I agree - e.g. computer cable: Cat.5e UTP twisted pair cable - technokabel cable - yellow 4x2x0.22mm is not intended for outdoor operation, although the temperature range in which it can work is:

Cable operating temperature range:
- during operation: -20 to +70°C
- during installation: 0 to +50°C

a working range of the telephone cable YTLYp 4x0.12mm flat telephone cable is:

Operating temperature range:
- permanent installation: -30 to +80 °C
- mobile installation: -5 to +70 °C

(of course there are other factors such as humidity)

arturs69 wrote:

I know this from practice, not from theory and looking at the wires on the poles.

calm down, no nerves, after all, no one accused him of that :)

Regards

And anyway, I read on another forum that a guy in the city made an overhang across the main street and nobody did anything to him

I would do it like this. On both roofs of houses or other buildings, install masts similar to those from CB radios. And make a simple overhang on a steel cable or use a special overhang cable for this. The cable will be higher than the electric poles, so it will be virtually invisible.
I myself have 3 overhangs at a height of about 6 - 10 meters for 2 years. Certainly not across the street.

Another solution is WiFi. More expensive but legal. At distances up to 50 m + directional antennas it will work without problems.

Brodi wrote:

I would do it like this. On both roofs of houses or other buildings, install masts similar to those from CB radios. And make a simple overhang on a steel cable or use a special overhang cable for this. The cable will be higher than the electric poles, so it will be virtually invisible.
I myself have 3 overhangs at a height of about 6 - 10 meters for 2 years. Certainly not across the street.

Another solution is WiFi. More expensive but legal. At distances up to 50 m + directional antennas it will work without problems.

either there hasn't been a strong storm in this area yet, or you have extremely resistant gear. All such overhangs end sooner or later with damage on an unpredictable scale.
I will add that the RG58 cable for the old 10Base2 technology seems to be better for overhangs. on Allegro, you can buy a hub for PLN 20 and put one on each side and the case seems safer. During the storm, only the hubs will probably die. Small cost: 2 hubs ~ PLN 40 + several dozen meters of cable, 1.5 / m each. In addition, it is better to ground such a cable on one side, but solidly, i.e. to a thick mass. the computer hut is not suitable for this and it is better to pull a very thick cable, e.g. 6mmkw from the switchboard. (the thicker the better because it minimizes the risk of damage during a storm). Also, do not ground at the plug, and it is better to give 1-2 m of i-connector cable and a clamp + solid grounding on it. the load will flow not directly at the hub.

Before the storm, I disconnect all cables and turn off the server and switches. Simple what?
Better to blow it cold. So far, 5 cards and a few ports in switches have died, but never during a storm. Of course, everything was clever and advertised on the site Planet equipment.

As far as I know, cables can be stretched legally, provided that they are not attached to poles. Everything is legal as long as they are dragged from house to house. My network has been working like this for a long time and so far no one has had any threads Even the neighbors haven't latched on to anything and that seems a bit strange to me The costs of this network were also very small, it was enough to buy a telephone cable with a cord in the middle, attach a twisted pair to it and attach the cables to the house and after the trouble. Even friendly TPSA fitters said it was the best solution

Danon_16 you wrote "it was enough to buy a telephone cable with a line in the middle and attach a twisted pair to it"

Could I use such a telephone cable, which is installed by TPSA.
And could you write more about how to attach a string to it.