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How to Connect a High Voltage Generator to an Old Transformer Welder for TIG

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  • #1 16552219
    saddam100
    Level 12  
    Hello,
    I definitely need help.
    I have an old "no name" transformer welder.
    This welder is a device based on a welding transformer, which is wound with aluminum wire.
    A rectifier built on four diodes has been added to the transformer outputs. Throttle missing.
    Idle output voltage: 62V.
    The manufacturer specifies the maximum welding current parameters at 160A.
    There is little truth in this but the electrode 3.2 can somehow be welded there.

    I tried to use this as a TIG source by connecting a TIG torch and of course gas (argon).
    Several times I was able to initiate the bow correctly and then it was welding even cool (for someone who never had a TIG in hand).
    The problem is the arc initiation. After another sticking of the electrode and damage to several electrodes, my enthusiasm subsided a little.
    Now I have such a neat plate - a high voltage generator from the Flora Dekatech TIG130 inverter.
    Does anyone have a scheme to control such a generator? (I mean the value of the supply voltage and frequency).
    I can handle the welding output connection and protections.

    How to Connect a High Voltage Generator to an Old Transformer Welder for TIG
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  • #2 16552733
    klamot
    Level 19  
    I don't know if it will be useful, but I once "tracked down" such a pattern. How to Connect a High Voltage Generator to an Old Transformer Welder for TIG
  • #3 16553481
    saddam100
    Level 12  
    Thanks for showing interest.
    The scheme is unlikely to be useful. This is a completely different system that increases the welding voltage output.
    This is to facilitate arc initiation and improve MMA welding stability.

    Scheme or other information about the above ionizer still sought after.

    Regards
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  • #4 16553553
    cirrostrato
    Level 38  
    Years ago, for craftsman welding, such a welder as you described (only trafo with copper windings), we could not make friends with the ionizer quickly and the time was chasing, firing by touching the tungsten electrode to the welded element usually destroyed this electrode, the idea was found simple, on the welded element we put a carbon electrode (some brushes from commutator motors bought from pennies), fired "from it" by moving the arc to the welded element, we had fun for a few years, there was no time for further thinking, because customers were waiting for the goods , and so it remained.
  • #5 16553606
    saddam100
    Level 12  
    I have heard about this way, but I would like to have "full grazing" :)
    I already have several packages broken, split electrodes ...
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  • #6 16553651
    cirrostrato
    Level 38  
    I looked at the offers (sale section but no offers) in the AVT store, until recently they had PCBs and a detailed description (it is in one of the AVT monthly magazines from a few years ago) quite a simple conversion (attachment) of the SPB315 welding machine (three-phase, direct current) to TIG, maybe look for how to make an ionizer.
  • #7 16553774
    SQ5AZP
    Level 33  
    And I propose to buy from them and simply by. constructor guidelines - implement. link
  • #8 16553889
    Jerzy Trojniarz
    Level 17  
    saddam100 wrote:
    A rectifier built on four diodes has been added to the transformer outputs. Throttle missing.

    No choke - this is the whole problem with catching the arc and good welding. Without a choke, it makes no sense to add a rectifier. You can forget about welding with EB electrodes. Ionizers, 62V voltage is good, but it is necessary to add a choke.
  • #9 16553985
    cirrostrato
    Level 38  
    Jerzy Trojniarz wrote:

    No gland - this is the whole problem with catching the bow and good welding. Without a gland, there is no point in adding a rectifier at all.
    The author of the topic has a problem when ignition of the arc during TIG welding, he does not report the problem when welding with coated electrodes.
  • #10 16554335
    saddam100
    Level 12  
    There is no problem with the ignition of MMA welding.

    As for purchasing a new ionizer:
    I already have one ionizer, so I'd like to use it.
    I am looking for information about this ionizer because I have it and not because I need any ionizer.
    If I cannot run this ionizer module, I will build one using one of the studies available on the forum.

    Maybe someone has a diagram of the Flora TIG 130 or Flora TIG200 device?
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  • #11 16555116
    Jerzy Trojniarz
    Level 17  
    How to Connect a High Voltage Generator to an Old Transformer Welder for TIG
    saddam100 wrote:
    There is little truth in this but the electrode 3.2 can somehow be welded there.

    As for me, this means problems and not normal welding. Secondly, TIG and MMA welding are not much different, except for the type of electrodes and the ignition of the arc is the same. Without the ionizer, aluminum is not welded. (Do not ignite the arc by rubbing against aluminum) A welding machine with a rectifier without a choke is welded worse than a regular transformer. What is the role of a choke, please read it. For example diagrams.
    How to Connect a High Voltage Generator to an Old Transformer Welder for TIG How to Connect a High Voltage Generator to an Old Transformer Welder for TIG
  • #12 16997123
    saddam100
    Level 12  
    The generator board went to the drawer. Maybe there will be better times.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around connecting a high voltage generator from a Flora Dekatech TIG130 inverter to an old transformer welder for TIG welding. The user faces challenges with arc initiation and electrode damage while attempting to use the welder for TIG applications. Responses suggest that the absence of a choke is a significant issue affecting arc stability and welding performance. Various solutions are proposed, including using a carbon electrode for arc initiation and seeking diagrams for the Flora TIG130 or Flora TIG200 ionizer. The importance of an ionizer for aluminum welding and the differences between TIG and MMA welding are also highlighted.
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