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Replacement of WLZ in a block + replacement of installation a few doubts.

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  • #1 16588873
    Tosca
    Level 3  
    Hi,
    In August I will exchange my parents installation and therefore I have some questions. The block of flats is from the early 70s. Half a year ago meters were replaced. Parents have a very high energy consumption for a long time. For half a year -1200 kWh. Most of the time they are not at home, there is no electric heating, boilers or other very power-consuming things. There used to be an electrician in the cage who probably co-operated with him because he had a room and a basement attached to the staircase. Parents are concerned that there is a leak somewhere, otherwise the installation has never been replaced, it is aluminum and generally in a tragic condition (in some sockets there is no PEN continuity), the plugs heat up, etc.
    If I exchange the installation, I will also want to replace the WLZ from the meter to the board in the apartment.

    Now a brief description of the apartment itself.
    There are three fuses in the apartment. Light, sockets and ... bell.
    There is a power socket in the apartment, but it is not secured in any way (i.e. secured by a counter meter)
    The whole apartment is powered from one phase.
    WLZ is currently located by the bathroom under the floor.
    Once (about 15 years ago) after turning on the oven, the countdown timer was burning - the problem was solved, the electrician removed the fuse and twisted the wires together. ZE sealed, parents gave up the oven and so it looks so far.

    In my opinion, the previous tenant bought the three-phase option, but pulled it only to the kitchen, did not change the distribution of installations in the house.

    This is how the pre-meter protections to parents look like those where there is no fuse and above for three phases
    Replacement of WLZ in a block + replacement of installation a few doubts.

    Now it's time for questions.
    Should I make a PEN chapter in my inbox at home? (There is not much in the cage. The layout of the chessboard is like this - a counter board, above the counter counters table and a cabinet still closed above, I suspect that the division of the division into individual apartments, unfortunately I do not have keys to it, so I can not confirm it)

    I will want to replace WLZ from the meter to the board in the house (to separate the phases into an apartment) it will require interference in the staircase. As I understand, I must apply to the administration for approval here?

    In addition to consent to the sealing of the meter and pre-counter security, should I still ask for any consent from the ZE?

    The apartment is on the first floor, what is the best way to do it to "draw" strength to the basement?

    What to do with these pre-meter collateral? Leave as they are now? Would you rather push somewhere to be listed? If so, where?

    As for the location of the new installation, I can do it. I work as an electrician, but I only deal with installations in new buildings. Unfortunately, when it comes to old construction and modifications, my knowledge is poorer.

    Maybe you still have any comments or questions on what I should pay special attention to, or what to check before interfering.

    best regards
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  • #2 16588946
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    Tosca wrote:
    As for the location of the new installation, I can do it. I work as an electrician, but I only deal with installations in new buildings.
    Tosca wrote:
    The apartment is on the first floor, what is the best way to do it to "draw" strength to the basement?
    Shame for an electrician to use such concepts.
    Mr. Kobuszewski in cabaret Dudek ordered to "oppose".

    A professional should be employed to do the installation design.
    You can carve furrows and lay the wires yourself.

    First, a colleague should apply to the power company for power allocation and technical conditions of the new installation.
    Only the power plant decides what can and what the system layout should be.
    With conditions from ZE you go to a cooperative or administrator.
    Where do you connect, the building administrator decides.
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  • #3 16590162
    andrzej lukaszewicz
    Level 41  
    Tosca wrote:
    Parents have a very high energy consumption for a long time. For half a year -1200 kWh

    1200kWh x on average 0.5 PLN = 600 PLN / half year = 100 PLN per month. Do you think there is high power consumption? Parents do not wash, do not iron clothes, do not use a vacuum cleaner, do not watch TV, do not burn the light?
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  • #4 16590195
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    Tosca wrote:
    This is how the pre-meter protections to parents look like those where there is no fuse and above for three phases


    That's what two counters have or what :?:
    There is a 3-phase power supply for the apartment :?:
    What is the layout of the power supply network :?:
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  • #5 16590281
    kortyleski
    Level 43  
    If what the author wrote about the status of the installation is true, the installation should be immediately taken out of service. It is a threat. Later, a major renovation, and basically a reconstruction, so you will need a project. The designer will answer all questions of the author of the thread.
  • #6 16592974
    Tosca
    Level 3  
    Quote:
    Shame for an electrician to use such concepts.

    I didn't want to just use the words "3 phases" again

    Quote:
    1200kWh x on average 0.5 PLN = 600 PLN / half year = 100 PLN per month. Do you think there is high power consumption? Parents do not wash, do not iron clothes, do not use a vacuum cleaner, do not watch TV, do not burn the light?

    They stay in this apartment only for the weekend and that is not always the case.

    Quote:
    That's what two counters have or what :?:
    There is a 3-phase power supply for the apartment :?:
    What is the layout of the power supply network :?:


    1. One three-phase meter
    2. Three-phase power supply is for one outlet only.
    3. Currently, I have not found out yet. (I suspect TN-C. Zero layout)

    In general, in my opinion, it looked like the previous tenant over 20 years ago, he had the whole apartment fed on one phase. He bought the 3 phase option. So the meter was changed to three phase. Three-phase pre-meter protection was inserted, but also one-phase. So one of the three phases was protected by two fuses. From the meter there are three phases in the bathroom floor for the socket in the kitchen, and from the meter a cable is left which is laid to the board in the apartment and supplies the whole apartment. I suspect that behind the meter just one phase is separated. When the three-phase load (oven) was switched on, the protection of this one phase in the corridor burned. An electrician came and for certain due to the fact that the phase was protected, he doubled one of the fuses (i.e. twisted it permanently). The thesis is supported by the fact that unscrewing the fuses at home does not turn off the power in the three-phase socket.

    Quote:
    If what the author wrote about the status of the installation is true, the installation should be immediately taken out of service. It is a threat. Later, a major renovation, and basically a reconstruction, so you will need a project. The designer will answer all questions of the author of the thread.

    So it remains to go to the designer.

    Thank you for your help.
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