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Miter saw for metal and wood - multifunctional for the hobbyist

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  • #1 16626696
    mallior
    Level 7  
    I was looking for the right topic, but I have not found it, if it is I am asking for a referral.

    The assumption is precise cutting of wood and steel profiles (mainly angles and closed walls up to 2 mm thick). An unspecified budget, but the less the better. The equipment will be used max several days a year, so please do not recommend the equipment for X thousand.

    For wood, the matter is simple, the best solution is a wood miter saw. For my purposes this should last: EINHELL TH-SM 2131 DUAL 1800 Wed. shield 210 mm (price about 500 PLN). A popular Chinese so there should be no problem with parts etc.

    Cutting metal is more problematic, theoretically the cheapest solution is a diagonal cut for cordon discs for PLN 300 are already on the Allegro. But from what I read, they have defects, ie they are less precise than wood dividers, they heat the cut material (greater susceptibility to rust and can be seen on metal). The second more expensive option is a fork miter saw.

    Buying two devices means more costs and the housing is returned. So I thought about whether it is not an ideal solution (on my assumptions) to buy an einhella slash, metal forks and a speed controller (eg AVT1007). Because as you know with wood, the revolutions are 4000-5000 revolutions per minute, and with metal it depends on the dial but within 1000-2500. Such discs are quite expensive because 150-200 zlotys + regulator + tachometer, which would also be useful for proper regulation gives us the price of two separate diameters (for wood and metal) BUT such equipment should cut the metal better than the corded wedge.

    Thoughts:
    - from what I have read, such a speed regulator may lead to an increase in temperature on the winding and its combustion, whereas with a miter there is no long continuous work, so unless there is no such risk?
    - I read somewhere that the slower cutting speed is more dangerous and it uses up the shields faster but this probably only applies to korduru or fork?
    - does it have, and if so, a significant influence of the speed controller on the miter torque? Will it affect the metal cutting

    As for the 210mm metal discs, I saw bosch and multi-purpose evolution. Bosch has shields with a different maximum speed from 1000 to 2300. Evolution has up to 3800. My question is, is it V-max for cutting or for slow rotation? How should I interpret this data.

    Please, very much feedback on this subject, I am surprised that I have not found anywhere to let anyone think about it. The more so because thanks to this we obtain a de facto evolution cochlear which costs 12,000, and in fact the only thing that is innovative in it is the shield itself (multitasking) and lower speed.

    Greetings,
    mallior
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  • #2 16626917
    kierbedz4
    Level 36  
    Recently in the Merlin store in Torun, there were great diameters of a very good company that has been on the market for years, but the name of this company has fallen out of my memory. It is a slash which was or is still in promotion. The price of it was not over 1800 PLN How can I check if it is still in stock? I will let you know.
    .

    Added after 17 [minutes]:

    Telephone to the store Merlin Toruń 56 62 18 850 Customer service no. 56 62 188 19 Tomorrow I will contact them about the matter of your interest.
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  • #3 16626992
    mallior
    Level 7  
    @ kierbedz4 with all due respect, but your post does not add anything and it looks just like done strictly under SEO.

    Returning to the topic on the English-speaking forum (source) there are voices that the solution does not work due to the fact that lowering the speed causes the torque to drop and the engine to overheat (burn)? The subject was about a metal saw for corded discs and a reduction in speed to forks.

    Can anyone more familiar with how much the problem / threat when using amateur profiles is closed. So relatively thin steel + I can easily take breaks after a few minutes between cuts + some windmill to put. Because I understand that it is a matter of such a thing that too long work leads to overheating and damage. However, short operation at low speed does not cause any damage to the engine, right?

    Now I checked and shields brand evolves:
    Quote:
    The RAGE 210 MULTI
    Outer diameter of the band saw: 210 mm
    Number of teeth: 24 from
    Diameter of the mounting hole: 25.4 mm
    Permissible rotation: 4000 rpm
    Cut material type: steel, aluminum, wood, nail wood, plastics

    So the shield will not go to the diagonal, because they have a standard 30 mm hole ..

    EDIT I found a metal plate at a very unpredictable price which will withstand the high turn of the wood miter on the makita side "226.048.08M CMT (cmt is the producer) saw blade for" dry "cutting:
    Quote:
    TECHNICAL DATA:
    - Diameter of the dial: fi 210
    - Diameter of the hole: 30 mm
    - Tooth height mm: 5
    - Number of teeth: 48
    - Tooth thickness: 2.2 mm
    - Thickness of the dial: 1.8 mm
    - Tooth shape: straight trapezium
    - Hardness (HV10): 1.520
    - Transverse strength (N / mm2): 2,300
    - Maximum speed from 3600 to 7300

    Perfect if not for the price ... PLN 289
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  • #4 16631669
    mallior
    Level 7  
    If nobody answered me, I will answer it myself.

    It is not possible to adopt a wood miter simply to cut the metal well. The topic is widely discussed in English-speaking forums.

    SOLUTION:

    On the internet saws are very popular evolution rage 3, which has a turnover of about 3750-4000. That is between typical wood and metal. You can see that the company puts a lot of money into marketing and is full of it on youtube, etc. It actually cuts decent thin metal, wood, aluminum, etc.

    IMPORTANT:
    The most popular rage 3 model costs about 1200 PLN, while the FURY 3 modem is available in Castorama for 650 PLN !!! They practically differ by the same power, cutting capacity, etc. Theoretically, the RAGE series is for PRO or "serious DIY", and FURY is for typical amateurs. Apart from the color, there are not too many differences. The main difference is the shield because FURY costs 100 zlotys and up to RAGE 160 and they are different (RAGE theoretically should be more durable and have more teeth).

    The product reportedly has been designed with 30% steel 70% wood in mind. Also in my case 650 PLN is a good price considering that you have a lot of precision in metal and wood. Exploitation will probably be more expensive than dedicated devices, but with my planned occupancy it is not so important to justify the purchase of two tools.

    PS The topic can probably be closed because I solved my dilemmas.
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  • #5 17451083
    mallior
    Level 7  
    I used some tools, so the opinion:

    The wood is quite cool, for good cuts it is worth buying discs with more teeth. It significantly improves the quality. Even the one from Lidl for PLN 25.

    Cutting metal is cool, but the shields are very quickly blunt and finally it does not go cheap. I got two shields making almost 100 cuts in the 20x20x2 profile, with which there was no tragedy. But with the 20x100x2 profiles, the shield quickly fell (a few cuts). However, the quality is incomparable to the angle grinder.

    It worked well when cutting tiles at a continuous diamond disk dedra for 60 PLN. I cut 10mm granite, 20mm marble and 7mm clinker plate. Only dust flies like you know it, preferably outside when it's windy to do it. The shield lasts for a long time.
  • #6 17503307
    bulimistrz
    Level 2  
    Hello, I have been using the Revolution Rage 3DB miter for some time - mainly for cutting metal profiles 20x20, 20x60.
    A slant provided with a multipurpose dial. I made this shield a few cut profiles - medium effect, jagged edges. Wood - great!
    So I changed to 255mm discs specially dedicated to steel (blue) and .... it turned out that the vitality of this disc is a misunderstanding.
    About 50 cuts and the end. and the shield cost over PLN 300.
    After consultations with the company it turned out that the saws are not intended for cutting steel ... just different materials (for me to different mean to steel also?) And this shield 255mm dedicated to steel has been adapted to the machine which they DO NOT produce. According to the company, the reason for problems with the lifetime of the disc is vibrations.
    They recommend the purchase of a typical steel cutter with a 355mm disc.
    According to my estimation, one more reason for fast wear of the disc are too high revolutions of 2500 rpm omitting the fact that the disc according to the manufacturer is adapted to 5200 rpm.) All dedicated machines for cutting steel have about 1,500 rpm.

    I was wondering about the speed controller (power drop) but I found out that if the saw has a soft start (electronica) then the regulator will not work.
    Do you have any idea how to solve this dilemma?
  • #7 17540103
    mallior
    Level 7  
    At larger scale, the saw dedicated to steel is more profitable. As far as my small profiles (20x20x2) kept it at 100x20 for a long time, it blunted once and twice.

    The speed regulator will not pass because then the power of the engine decreases too. The result of which it is easy to burn it, I delved into this topic. The game is not worth the candle.
  • #8 17545248
    Adi282828
    Level 1  
    I have a Dewalt cusp at work and this is her third shield size 355. A few days ago there was a fresh purchase price of PLN 500 per target. For dulling she worked one working day, 8-9 hours of continuous cutting at 45 ° profile (20/20/2). The blade made about 500 sets of cuts, the rotational speed is over 1,300 rpm. I also recommend each and every sawmill of this type and the blades can be sharpened.
  • #9 17869026
    Dobromir pomysłowy
    Level 23  
    The evolution shield is multitasking but for the amateur and how the nail hits, because in other ordinary wood targets the teeth will fly. If the teeth were 3x so much so, but the barrier price! And that it will rust from burning, it's probably not.
  • #10 18778103
    lordmalin
    Level 10  
    Mockingbirds, last post was over a year ago, can you give me something new on this topic? I am currently thinking of buying a slash and maybe something new has appeared to cut metal and wood with one piece of equipment?
    best regards
  • #11 18778194
    Dobromir pomysłowy
    Level 23  
    A multi-tasking shield is more of a marketing gimmick but of course you can do something else, occasionally cut. How much wood you cut, and you want extra quality cutting, especially hard, cut only wood. And for plastics or metals, other blades or saws. It is strange that manufacturers do not always use slow start-up (and this is a big gear saving), I would add speed control (they are not expensive). The equipment is very cheap and it is full of drugs, so you do not have to replace the shields, buy 2 devices.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around finding a multifunctional miter saw suitable for cutting both wood and metal, particularly for hobbyists with limited usage. Users recommend the EINHELL TH-SM 2131 DUAL for wood cutting, priced around 500 PLN. For metal, the Evolution Rage 3 and FURY 3 models are highlighted as effective options, with the Rage 3 being more suited for serious DIY projects and costing approximately 1200 PLN, while the FURY 3 is available for about 650 PLN. Concerns are raised about the precision and durability of blades when cutting metal, with suggestions to use specialized blades for better performance. Users emphasize the importance of using the correct speed settings to avoid overheating and damaging the saw. Overall, the consensus is that while multifunctional saws exist, dedicated tools may provide better results for specific materials.
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