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Connection Power & 4x4mm2 Cable Cross Section: Tauron 5KW Contract, 25A Fuse & Responsibility

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  • #1 16641239
    Hetii
    Level 17  
    Hello kindly.

    A 4x4mm2 cable (diameter of the vein with the cover) is led to the summer house.
    Three veins are one and the same phase, and the fourth lived as neutral.

    The contract with Tauron says that the contracted / connection capacity is 5KW, and the place of connection "Cable connector". Counter 25A protection.

    And now, who is responsible for this cable from the box at home to the box with the meter? Does the first electrician with rights have access to the box with counter-meter protection and has the right to change the configuration of the connected wires, or do you need to take someone from the ZE?

    Why such wiring connections? The current in the circuit flows the same, regardless of whether it is a phase or zero, and therefore symmetry should be maintained.

    I also found in forums that people sometimes have more than 11KW power allocated on a 25A fuse and I ask how it should work if 25A * 230V = 5750W?

    I am also wondering if the current cable will be sufficient when I use two wires as the phase and the other two as neutral, with the load in the house: fridge, 7.2KW induction hob, 4.5Kw water heater, electric kettle, and a few smaller devices. Generally in 13KW I should shut down wanting all devices to be turned on full.

    And so at the end I wonder the thickness of the neutral wire in installations with strength where we have 3 phases. Shouldn't such a vein be thicker than the others?

    Best regards.
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  • #2 16641255
    DiZMar
    Level 43  
    You have 5Kw allocated and you have gently counting almost 15kW receivers and how will you manage?
  • #3 16641275
    Hetii
    Level 17  
    As a last resort, it will use priority relays or request an increase in connection power.
    It all depends on the costs and possibilities of the existing installation.
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  • #4 16641379
    kortyleski
    Level 43  
    Hetii wrote:
    I will use two veins as a phase and the other two as neutral,

    You can't do that. In case of failure of one vein, the other will take over the entire load. Just a step to the fire. Next, what about electric shock protection? Where do you get the PE that your devices require?
  • #5 16641397
    slawekx
    Level 29  
    Hetii wrote:
    Hello kindly.

    A 4x4mm2 cable (diameter of the vein with the cover) is led to the summer house.
    Three veins are one and the same phase, and the fourth lived as neutral.


    You can describe it more accurately. Certainly only 3x one phase and N?
  • #6 16641423
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    First of all, what is the layout of the power supply network :?:
  • #7 16641793
    Hetii
    Level 17  
    100% is 3xL (even checked with an ohmmeter) and 1xN.

    As for PE, it is connected to receivers (3x1.5mm2 for lights and 3x2.5mm2 for sockets) and in the dashboard connected to the rail and a cable as thick as a finger, which most likely goes to some ground of the house.

    Unfortunately, I do not have any plans to install this facility. As for the network layout, I don't have such information yet.

    Added after 3 [hours] 18 [minutes]:

    kortyleski wrote:
    Hetii wrote:
    I will use two veins as a phase and the other two as neutral,

    You can't do that. In case of failure of one vein, the other will take over the entire load. Just a step to the fire. Next, what about electric shock protection? Where do you get the PE that your devices require?



    This is indeed an important problem that should be considered.
    It came to my mind so quickly that you can leave both circuits with phase separate, i.e. both would work with power not exceeding a given vein.

    In the event of a break, some receivers would simply stop functioning.

    However, the neutral wire is a bit problematic, at present there is one circuit for it, but it could also be split into two.

    Is this arrangement legal and technical correct?
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  • #8 16641796
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    What cable N in WLZ are you talking about if you don't know the type of network :?:
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  • #9 16641825
    Hetii
    Level 17  
    mawerix123 wrote:
    What cable N in WLZ are you talking about if you don't know the type of network :?:


    I am talking about the N wire which goes as the only neutral from the meter box, which is located outside the object (it is not separated into N and PE).

    And looking at the following diagram:
    Connection Power & 4x4mm2 Cable Cross Section: Tauron 5KW Contract, 25A Fuse & Responsibility

    It will be a TT system, unless this PE conductor flies separately, hidden somewhere (then TN-S), to the ZE box, but I can't tell.

    In my case anyway, the N and PE circuits are not connected with each other.
  • #10 16641844
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    These are only guesses and the answers that the network system can give only an energy supplier.
    From the author's description, one can only suspect that the network layout is TN-C and thus WLZ is to be replaced because the cross-section of the PEN conductor is not sufficient.
  • #11 16643220
    Hetii
    Level 17  
    I decided to reassess the connection capacity and the contractual change, and change the connection to the box that is closer to the object.

    Who in this case covers the cost of the cable between the object and the ZE box?

    And if these are the costs that I have to cover myself, do I have to conclude that I want to use a YAKY 25mm2 cable instead of YKY, or does ZE force it to a given type of cable?

    Is the connection to their box made by a human or does a first-class electrician have access there?
    I understand that after such a change you need to make measurements of the installation in the facility?
  • #12 16643692
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    Hetii wrote:
    Who in this case covers the cost of the cable between the object and the ZE box?


    Usually powered object owner.

    Hetii wrote:
    And if these are the costs that I have to cover myself, do I have to conclude that I want to use a YAKY 25mm2 cable instead of YKY, or does ZE force it to a given type of cable?


    Ze is not interested.

    Hetii wrote:
    Is the connection to their box made by a human or does a first-class electrician have access there?


    Not everyone and access there, but in Tauron WLZ usually connects an electrician hired by the investor.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the installation and responsibility for a 4x4mm² cable connected to a summer house under a 5KW contract with Tauron, protected by a 25A fuse. The user inquires about the responsibility for the cable from the home box to the meter box, questioning whether a licensed electrician can modify the connections or if a representative from the energy supplier (ZE) is required. Concerns are raised about the safety of the wiring configuration, particularly regarding the neutral wire and potential overloads, as well as the legality of splitting circuits. The conversation also touches on the costs associated with changing connection capacity and the type of cable required for the installation, emphasizing that the owner typically bears these costs and that an electrician hired by the investor usually performs the connection work.
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