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Skoda Octavia II 2 1.6 mpi: Burnt Bulb Control System and Position Lights Issue

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Why does the rear left position light on a Skoda Octavia II trigger a burnt-bulb warning and cut power after about 30 seconds, and how can I tell whether the fault is in the Bordnetz module or the wiring/connector?

The rear position-light circuit is controlled by the Bordnetz/central electronics module J519, and there is no separate relay for it [#16690868] Start by checking the output wiring from Bordnetz to the lamp, especially the B144 connection and the lamp-side wiring, because the shared ground is taken from the left lamp and the fault may be on the plus side or in the cable/connector rather than in the module itself [#16690868] A good test is to swap the rear lamp wires at the Bordnetz plugs between B pin T12a/9 and C pin T12b/10; if the fault moves to the other side, the problem is in the wiring or connector, and if it does not move, Bordnetz may still be at fault [#16690868] You can also measure the voltage and current from Bordnetz to both lamps and compare them, or connect two test bulbs directly to the Bordnetz pins to rule out a module fault [#16829015][#16829000] In a later similar case, the actual cause was a burnt ground pin in the middle of the 6-pin lamp connector 893971636, even though it was not obvious visually, and replacing that connector fixed the warning [#17780608]
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  • #1 16690419
    maniu6666
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    Hello,
    I would like to get information about the burnt bulb control system.
    Problem:
    There is a problem in the car with the rear 2 bulbs from the position lights (specifically the rear left side). In Octavi we have 1 bulb 1 fiber plugged into a strip that shines all the time correctly and 2 W3W bulbs (I tried W5W without effect) to which the power supply from the wiring harness goes, power supply for each bulb separately and the weight for 1 bulb and switching directly from it to 2 the bulb. After switching on the lights, the lights come on for about 30 seconds, then go out and a burnt bulb error appears (in VSDS this error also appears when the indicator light is on). This situation does not always occur (it happens that for 5 hours driving is ok) and sometimes within a week with each turn on the lights.
    I suspected poor contact so it was cleaned. New bulbs installed and substitution from right to left (right side all the time hassle-free) I checked the wiring in the trunk part, no visible damage. I was also checking the weight of approx. Power loss when the indicator appeared.
    1. What exactly controls the burnt bulb system?
    2. Is there a relay that controls the circuit? Which where to look for him? I found nothing in tolerance data.
    3. Does the control system are controlled by the comfort module?
    What would you start with so that you don't have to undress half the upholstery? Fuse box under the engine and at the driver's door checked (fuses ok)
    Thanks in advance for every suggestion.
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  • #2 16690484
    Ireneo
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    Bordnetz controls the mass where you looked?
  • #3 16690613
    maniu6666
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    I checked the weight in the trunk part. At the first point, when the bundle comes out, the same color of wire as it comes to the bulbs. More specifically, the left side under the upholstery in the trunk.
    Bordnetze? Hmm, what is this system? Where can i find it
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  • #4 16690868
    grala1
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    Bordnetz is a module of central electronics above the driver's legs (gray rectangle at the top in the diagram, usually marked as J519). He shows you such a mistake on VAG.
    You won't find any control relay.
    Diagram attached.
    I understand that these are M4 bulbs from the diagram, page 16.
    Rather, it is not the fault of the mass because as you can see from the diagram the mass for both lamps is taken from the left lamp. Rather, the B144 connection on the plus side of these bulbs.
    You can swap the wires on Bordnetz plugs between the B pin T12a / 9 plug and the C pin T12b / 10 plug - if the error does not go to the other side then the damaged Bordnetz will pass, as will the problem on the cable or at the B144 connection point.
    Description of plugins here.
    Skoda Octavia II 2 1.6 mpi: Burnt Bulb Control System and Position Lights Issue
    The plugs are also described on the Bordnetz housing.
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  • #5 16695916
    maniu6666
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    Thanks so much for the hint. Is it possible for VCDS to check whether Bortnetz or the installation is damaged? I know that somehow by coding it is possible to turn off the bulb control of a given circuit. But will it allow us to determine whether it is an installation or a module?
    Today I chose it but I could not change the wires in the plugs because the plontane too large cables and I was 100km from the house and I was afraid to damage something. The plugins unfortunately have no descriptions to swap the cables. But should the colors match those of the light bulbs?
  • #6 16695961
    Ireneo
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    They should coincide.
  • #7 16828737
    maniu6666
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    Gentlemen, please help me.
    Bortnetz is an element that controls or controls and sends a signal to a computer.

    The wires probably overlap.

    Actions taken:
    Swapping the cable from cube C to B. that is from left to right. The error went to the right. According to the guidelines I received, the sentence fell on the damaged bordnetz.

    I bought a new bordnetz.
    Replacing bordnetz + coding for a layman is all day out of my head but I did this feat and started the car.
    The left lamp shone for 15 minutes (immense joy and satisfaction). After this time, the error returns (costs and satisfaction with the work done have decreased).
    Conclusions.
    The error moves to page 2 after swapping the pins, so the sentence fell on bordnetz - no effect
    Bordnetz replacement - no effect
    Constant error in VCSD
    Mittwoch, 15 November, 2017.21: 38: 54: 14802
    VCDS Version: DRV 12.12.2

    Address 09: Zentralelektrik Labeldatei: DRV \ 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
    Steuergerät-Teilenummer: 3C8 937 049 E HW: 3C8 937 049 E
    Bauteil und / oder Version: Bordnetz-SG H54 2602
    Codierung: B98C0F030004140043110D000000000000097F075C00000C000000000000
    Betriebsnummer: WSC 73430 790 12345
    Erweiterte Informationen: 1Z1955119C Wischer 160 708 022 0601
    VCID: 336EAD5C520CBA86565-8066
    Fehlercodes wurden gelöscht.

    1 Fehler gefunden:
    00984 - Lampe für Schlusslicht links (M4)
    012 - elektrischer Fehler im Stromkreis
    Freeze Frame:
    Fehlerstatus: 01101100
    Fehlerpriorität: 2
    Fehlerhäufigkeit: 1
    Verlernzähler: 98
    Kilometerstand: 103,131 km
    Zeitangabe: 0

    Freeze Frame:
    ein
    Spannung: 13.95 V
    ein
    ein
    aus
    aus
    aus

    (DE fact but if someone overcomes mistakes it will help.)

    To the cable that goes directly to the light bulbs I gave the battery voltage (I cut the cable right at the exit from the Bordnet) and the lighting works properly.

    Gentlemen help what steps to take next. I want to return bordnetz because it may be as damaged as mine (walker unlikely) to reduce the cost of repair.

    Is it possible to check the bordnetz with a budget meter.

    My next idea is to turn off the control of the burnt VCDS bulb but there is only the possibility of cold coding byte probably 19. Cold coding works (if the lights do not light the error goes out). At the moment when the lights work, after 15s the error appears and cuts off the power to the unfortunate rear lamp.
    Can you somehow encode it differently from the info that I found in google? (cold coding)

    7 days after 5 hours lost.

    What next to fix the malfunction? Rescue (I can't give up and tell my wife that I couldn't make it and I have to take the car to the workshop)

    Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
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  • #8 16829000
    Pawel wawa
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    Measure the voltage coming from the Bordnetz to the right and left of the bulbs ;) Of course, by mass. The second measurement is the current flowing from both sides. To rule out a malfunction, make a control with two such bulbs and connect instead of the lamp on the Bortnetz pins.
  • #9 16829015
    grala1
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    maniu6666 wrote:
    Gentlemen, please help me.
    Bortnetz is an element that controls or controls and sends a signal to a computer.


    On what computer again?
    Borndetz is one of many computers in this car - it controls and controls.

    maniu6666 wrote:
    Actions taken:
    Swapping the cable from cube C to B. that is from left to right. The error went to the right. According to the guidelines I received, the sentence fell on the damaged bordnetz.


    I didn't write anything like that.
    Read with understanding, I wrote something completely different.
    grala1 wrote:
    You can swap the wires on Bordnetz plugs between the B pin T12a / 9 plug and the C pin T12b / 10 plug - if the error does not go to the other side then the damaged Bordnetz will pass, as will the problem on the cable or at the B144 connection point.

    You have replaced Bordnetz unnecessarily.

    Disconnect the cables from the rear lamps on the Bordnetz plugs (plug B pin T12a / 9 and plug C pin T12b / 10). Give them a plus from the battery through an ammeter connected in series and compare the indications for both lamps.
    You can also change bulbs and bulb holders as you can during this test.
    You have a problem somewhere on the wires, connectors or bulb holders.
    If the current is different and will be probably smaller, then you can start measuring voltage drops and in this way find the place causing the problem.
    Read carefully, turn on thinking and you will save time and money.
  • #10 17292024
    Luklac
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    Hello, did you solve this problem? The same problem appeared in my Octavia
  • #11 17292066
    piotrekwoj1
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    Luklac wrote:
    Hello, did you solve this problem? The same problem appeared in my Octavia

    And what do you think that you have the same fault?
    You have described in the topic what to do and what to check it to do.
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    Luklac
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    Yes, I have the same symptoms. I can see what needs to be done, but I haven't seen the entry if the problem has been solved
  • #13 17768668
    yksi
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    Gentlemen, I have such a problem. Skoda O2 2007 classic. The burnt light indicator is on because of (I think) lack of weight in the position of the left rear light bulbs. I have 2 bulbs from the position in luminaire No. 1Z5945257A (photo attached) and two W5W bulbs separately inserted into the lamp luminaire. The problem is that when the 6-pin plug No. 893971636 is normally connected to the bulb luminaire, these two are not inserted separately lamp holder. However, when I pull out the plug from the bulb holder (brake light, direction, fog and 2 positions), these two inserted separately into the lamp holder begin to glow. I suspect something with mass because in the light bulbs the third pin from the ground was burned although the plug does not show any signs of burning. In general, my question is: if I need to "take" the weight from one of these bulbs inserted separately (or the weight from the car body) will it work and there will be no errors on the board? Sorry for my laity, but I don't know if I should buy new plugin or look for the problem elsewhere.
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  • #14 17780608
    yksi
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    The problem was solved, so for posterity the cause was burning the pin from the ground in the middle of the plug that could not be seen. Now everything is going right and the indicator of the burnt-out bulb has gone out. In addition, I must write that the 6-pin plug OEM 893971636 comes with 5 cables. Subject to close.
  • #15 17782363
    skorek22
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    Buddy, which pin was burned exactly? I have the same symptom but my pins look Ok
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    Ireneo
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    skorek22 wrote:
    Buddy, which pin was burned exactly? I have the same symptom but my pins look Ok

    He wrote that the weight pin after all.
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  • #17 17783681
    yksi
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    That's exactly the cable
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Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around a recurring issue with the burnt bulb control system in a Skoda Octavia II 1.6 MPI, specifically concerning the rear position lights. The user experiences intermittent failures where the left rear position lights illuminate for a short period before triggering a burnt bulb error. Various troubleshooting steps are suggested, including checking the Bordnetz (central electronics module), verifying wiring connections, and measuring voltage and current at the bulb sockets. The user eventually replaces the Bordnetz module but continues to face the same error, indicating a potential wiring issue. Another participant shares a similar problem, which was resolved by identifying a burned ground pin in the connector. The conversation emphasizes the importance of thorough electrical diagnostics to pinpoint the source of the issue.
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TL;DR: To separate wiring from J519 (Bordnetz) faults, swap two pins (T12a/9 with T12b/10); “Bordnetz is one of many computers…”. This quick A/B test often proves a wiring/ground issue, not a bad module. [Elektroda, grala1, post #16690868]

Why it matters: This FAQ helps Octavia II owners fix rear position-light errors without unnecessary module replacement.

Quick Facts

What is the Bordnetz (J519) in a Skoda Octavia II and where is it located?

Bordnetz, also labeled J519, is the central electronics module that controls body functions, including exterior lights. It also flags bulb errors to VAG/VCDS. In Octavia II, it mounts above the driver’s legs. “He shows you such a mistake on VAG.” [Elektroda, grala1, post #16690868]

How can I tell if my rear position light fault is wiring or the J519 module?

Perform an A/B output swap at J519: exchange the rear position outputs on plug B (T12a/9) and plug C (T12b/10). If the fault follows the swapped output to the other side, investigate wiring, connectors, or the B144 splice rather than replacing J519. [Elektroda, grala1, post #16690868]

What does VCDS code 00984 mean on Octavia II lighting?

VCDS 00984 identifies the left tail/position lamp (M4) with an electrical fault. Owners observe the lamp working, then the module cuts power and logs the code. This points to connection resistance or ground/positive splice issues, not necessarily a failed module. [Elektroda, maniu6666, post #16828737]

Why do my position lights work for a while, then shut off and show a bulb-out warning?

Intermittent dropouts after ~15 minutes often indicate rising resistance from a bad ground pin or corroded splice. J519 monitors current; when it sees abnormal draw, it shuts the output and flags a fault. Restore clean ground and positive connections to fix it. [Elektroda, maniu6666, post #16828737]

How do I measure voltage and current to confirm a wiring fault?

Measure voltage at each lamp relative to chassis ground while the lights are on. Then, feed the lamp circuit from the battery through an ammeter in series and compare left vs right current. You can also substitute a test load directly at J519 pins. [Elektroda, Pawel wawa, post #16829000]

What is the B144 connection mentioned in wiring advice?

B144 is a positive splice/junction serving the rear position bulbs. High resistance or oxidation there can lower current and trigger monitoring faults. If swapping J519 outputs doesn’t move the error, inspect B144 and the downstream connectors and bulb holders. [Elektroda, grala1, post #16690868]

Which connector pin usually burns, and what’s the fix?

Users report a burnt ground pin within the rear lamp’s 6‑pin connector. The visual damage may be subtle. Repair involves restoring the ground terminal/pin, cleaning the contact, or replacing the connector housing and terminal to ensure low-resistance ground. [Elektroda, yksi, post #17780608]

Can I just disable bulb monitoring (cold diagnostics) in VCDS to mask the error?

Cold-diagnostic coding can hide the warning temporarily, but it won’t fix voltage drop or poor contact. In cases described, the error reappeared once the lamp heated and current changed. Correct the wiring/ground so J519 sees normal current draw. [Elektroda, maniu6666, post #16828737]

Do W3W vs W5W bulb choices affect this fault?

Swapping W3W with W5W did not resolve the issue in the case reported. The root cause was wiring/ground-related, not bulb type. Replace weak contacts first; only then verify bulb spec per the lamp’s marking. [Elektroda, maniu6666, post #16690419]

I swapped outputs and the fault moved sides—does that prove J519 is bad?

No. It indicates the side wired to the suspect output has a wiring or connector issue. As one expert noted, the module was replaced unnecessarily; the real fix was in the wires, connectors, or bulb holders. “Read carefully, turn on thinking.” [Elektroda, grala1, post #16829015]

Three-step how-to: isolate the rear-light fault without tearing the car apart?

  1. At J519, disconnect rear lamp outputs and feed each lamp from the battery through an ammeter; compare currents.
  2. Swap T12a/9 with T12b/10; note whether the fault moves.
  3. If unequal current, chase voltage drops at bulb holders, splices, and ground pins. [Elektroda, grala1, post #16829015]

What connector part number and wire count should I expect at the rear lamp?

The reported rear lamp uses OEM 6‑pin plug 893971636, typically populated with five wires. A burnt ground pin inside this connector was the confirmed root cause in one solved case. Inspect and repair that terminal first. [Elektroda, yksi, post #17780608]

Why do two small position bulbs only light when I unplug the main lamp connector?

That behavior suggests a ground path fault in the main lamp connector. With the plug connected, the bad ground starves the small bulbs. Unplugging changes the return path, letting them glow. Restoring the burnt ground pin fixed this exact symptom. [Elektroda, yksi, post #17768668]

Where is the rear-light ground shared, and what’s the impact?

Both rear position bulbs reference ground from the left lamp assembly. A weak ground there can affect both sides or create cross-feed symptoms. Check and refurbish the left lamp ground and related connectors before condemning J519. [Elektroda, grala1, post #16690868]
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