Forscher FS807 vs FS809 Pair Finder for Car Circuit & Wiring Harness: Feedback & Alternatives

Hi dear colleagues need an opinion Forscher FS807 wire rope finder device I need for car installation, to detect breaks in the circuit, find the position of a given wire from the entire wiring harness. the device costs about PLN 220 I found FORSCHER FS809 but it is twice as expensive but maybe it is better, I have a meter for about PLN 50 but it is not suitable noise that I do not know what it indicates. unless you have better budget proposals, something about PLN 500

So I bought FORSCHER FS807 more I need for electrical installation in the car but occasionally also to test ethernet network cables what recently I was useful for carrying the antenna, I squeezed tight RJ looked that it is well pressed and did not touch well and the meter detected it. As for checking the car installation, it is important that the voltage tested on the cable (at least above 3v) can be damaged, at least I did not test it on 12v. As for the meter itself when checking the wiring harness, for example: from point A to point B, for example: how we check sensors from wear of brake pads, connect slave receiver black to ground and red to test lead take master receiver for mask and look for test cable, and here already the stairs begin the meter is good it can detect from a large number of cables the right one but sometimes it is a thick bundle wrapped with a harness the signal is weak, the tested cable is broken in x the place is moving the probe after the beam we will get to this break but note how the wire will, for example: will stay or stay although one hair is not a probe, it does not detect the probe needs a minimum Italian test but, for example: the bulb will not pull it anymore, so my advice on how to find the tested cable is a universal meter or a light bulb and in this way we check the "transition". I had it in the car I did not have a left stop after finding the right wire I was ok, but as I connected the universal meter from point A to point B, instead of whistling it was buzzing what turned out to be a stale and oxidized wire under insulation, FS807 meters he did not "see" it because it was still connected but the 21 watt bulb did not work anymore. I hope that someone will help my opinion of the FS807 meter because I think it is worth a reasonable price for a reasonable quality and the device is very helpful, you do not need to clean the entire installation unless someone has a different tested meter, I invite this opinion for the descendants Regards

Usefulness of what I understand and so indisputable but declared sensitivity of 4 cm in the case of a cable under the plaster can be inserted between cartoons? I ask, I would also use it when looking for a cable route in the wall.

Something for something.
The Forscher FS807 also has a simple Lan network tester.
However, the Forscher FS809 is "stronger" and can be connected straight to the outlet under voltage (up to 400V).

As for me, it is much more useful to work in an active electrical network up to 400 VAC (I have several meters for LAN) and a stronger signal (longer detection distance).
Theoretically, it should also better detect because (as they say) - it is a construction based on a unique technology combining the generation of both analogue and digital tones used by the American company FLUKE

jacekwwy wrote:

... but note how the wire will be: it will fall asleep or there will be at least one hair that the probe will not detect the probe ...

And probably no probe of this type will detect it.

carsoncars wrote:

Usefulness of what I understand and so indisputable but declared sensitivity of 4 cm in the case of a cable under the plaster can be inserted between cartoons? I ask, I would also use it when looking for a cable route in the wall.

It is easy to find a cable under the plaster even deeper than 4 cm, only you need to use only a red clamp on the cable you are looking for and black ground
but to ground it is best not to use the same cable as searched - remains the radiator, tap, or your own finger then it gives advice up to 10 cm peacefully

Well, gentlemen, I also bought the same product only for a fraction of the price at the source which, incidentally, I recommend. MJTEK Professional WH806A Cable Tester Ethernet Wire Lan Telephone Line Tracker For RJ11 Cat5 Cat5E Cat6 Cat6A RJ45 Networking

Just write how it works.
Describe more accurately, at what depth under the plaster works, and how it works in the thicket of wires.

I had this Chinese WH806 (maybe I still do not know where), a very weak signal full range, and these cables with crocodile clips were on the first day - so thin.
Of course, I made the cables myself new but the range was still weak.

It's probably, however, it will be better to put down on at least Forscher FS8112.

As for this particular model of the "finder" in their market there is only one producer of this and the issue of diversified range is only a resultant of how one has found a given copy. Mine works fine, although at the beginning in the case of searching for the right cable among other swarms of others. For example, in the car it is annoying to find the right sensitivity on the built-in potentiometer so that it reacts only to the right cable we are looking for and in the meantime he would send a signal after others, at this point he would be misleading, destroying the time to which the savings would contribute. However, after getting practice, it works as well as possible. And when setting the potentiometer close to the maximum position, it quietly detects the cable (and its continuity) under the plaster in my case somewhere around 6 cm deep. Also for me it is enough what it offers at the moment, after all, it cost more or less similar money that they want on the Allegro for this version of "analog" - disrupting the mercilessly whether you like it or not. PS. For me it was supposed to be just a supplement for a lot more interesting equipment, even: https://en.aliexpress.com/item/Vgate-PowerSca...Electric-Tester-Vgate-PT150-Multi-Functional- Automobile-tester-Auto-Electrical System Diagnostic / 32798481945.html

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tomiok wrote:

It's probably, however, it will be better to put down on at least Forscher FS8112.

Depending on who needs you, you are right. You do not have it when it comes to the necessity of any postponement, however, the mentioned (object at source) costs only approx. PLN 135 at the moment.

https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/Network-monito...Network-Coacial-BNC-USB-RJ45/32774173757.html

Sorry
and what time did the colleague calculate that 50 USD is 135 PLN?
Probably more or less, and whether the duty and VAT will not have to be paid because the larger package will probably be judged by the dimensions of the packaging.
The duty and VAT is 30% or 50 PLN
So there is a risk that in total it will be PLN 230, and is it certainly the same?
Was he buying something like that directly on Ali?

carsoncars wrote:

J ... You do not have it when it comes to the necessity of any postponement, however, the mentioned (object at source) costs only approx. PLN 135 at the moment.

https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/Network-monito...Network-Coacial-BNC-USB-RJ45/32774173757.html

I thought about the original, and this is already 356 PLN net: http://mastech.com.pl/index.php?product_rewri...-lan-z-szukaczem-przewodow&controller=product

I will also quote:

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In addition, the FS8112 is equipped with an advanced wire pairs locator. The construction is based on a unique technology that combines the generation of both analogue and digital tones used by the American company FLUKE in the Intellitone 200PRO model that allows obtaining unprecedented accuracy in locating cable bundles.

The question is how it is in practice.

You can see that the software is not Chinese, and in such testers it's 80% functionality is based on software.

The best way is probably buy and check.
When buying online, you can always give back as it does not fit.
Probably the safest way through a known auction site.

elektrons_ wrote:

You can see that the software is not Chinese and in such testers it's 80% functionality is based on software

The best way is probably buy and check
When buying online, you can always give back as it does not fit
Probably the safest way through a known auction site

You can return in Poland, the cost of shipping to China is very large.

elektrons_ wrote:

Sorry
and what time did the colleague calculate that 50 USD is 135 PLN?
Probably more or less, and whether the duty and VAT will not have to be paid because the larger package will probably be judged by the dimensions of the packaging.
The duty and VAT is 30% or 50 PLN
So there is a risk that in total it will be PLN 230, and is it certainly the same?
Was he buying something like that directly on Ali?

Once you are a friend, be meticulous, be consistent as well. At the time when I made that entry, the price for this item was (still moreover) $ 43.82 - including the "cent" shipping. The course was slightly more convenient than today and was exactly as much as I wrote. I do not know what policy you are pursuing, but do not discourage others from saving money. In fact, since I counted only from October last year, I purchased several dozen items (one by one) and none landed on any cleat, regardless of whether it cost $ 2 or $ 62. The only thing that did not reach me was an electronic micrometer for a small amount I was returned to my account after the period in which the seller declared delivery. It's all adventures.

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"... I thought about the original (...)" Only that observation of all this type of auction shows there are no more than two manufacturers of such toys and no one is called Mastech because this name is only one of the many packers and no specific for it originality we can not speak. Analogy just like the parts in the automotive industry.

Maybe this entry will clear up your doubts about the duty:
https://www.bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Zakupy-z-Ali...s-clo-VAT-i-ochrona-kupujacych-7323961,2.html

I will pay attention to one quote:

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By buying on AliExpress, we can also meet the duty to pay customs duty. According to the Finance Ministry's statement: "Imports with small value goods sent directly from a third country to a recipient located in the European Union are exempt from import duties, whereas" small value goods "means goods whose actual value does not exceed 150 EUR for delivery. "

Not so much about customs as about VAT and at Vata the limits are much lower - 22 USD from what I read,
duty is 3% and VAT is 23% and it makes a difference
I order a lot of "shit" for Ali, but rather small and cheap
Once I ordered such a heater for exchanging touch screens in cells and I came with VAT to pay
and in total cost as much as in Poland.
The fact that it only happened to me once but it was the only more expensive thing I bought on Ali - I do not remember exactly how much it cost because it was from USD 2 a year ago.
CARSONCARS you say that you buy a lot on Ali - you do not have the impression that last time is waiting for everything? My 2 parcels ordered in November on Ali, at the end of January, literally a few days before the maximum delivery date.

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carsoncars wrote:

"... I thought about the original (...)" Only that observation of all this type of auction shows there are no more than two manufacturers of such toys and no one is called Mastech because this name is only one of the many packers and no specific for it originality we can not speak. Analogy just like the parts in the automotive industry.

And here you are a little wrong Because the producers are there with a huge amount and each of them can have their original products so much that they will come from one factory and more factories - that is, individual elements of the device will come from the same factories.
I was in China in a trade fair delegation, in truth in a different industry because of agriculture and machinery, but electronics in this industry is also
and the production process looks completely different.
Everything that is on Ali comes from how nice you called "packers" so much that they are not even packers because they do not pack anything
at most parcels for shipment.

For example: there is a factory which produces housing has various injection molds, etc. There is a separate plant producing electronic modules, and yet a separate plant produces electronic components, and separately there are offices of programmers and other engineers.
The manufacturer's task is to visit all the necessary plants and order the appropriate components and indicate the address to which it is to be sent for the purpose of piecing together and this submission is dealt with by other plants.
So, such a producer can be a guest sitting in an office on the 37th floor of a skyscraper, he only has a secretary, a laptop and a telephone, and he thinks what is to be produced, how it should look, act, etc ...
Only the next in the chain are the traders who sit on the floor below have the same set of tools, i.e. laptop, secretary and telephone, and sell goods on Ali and other websites, stores or where ...
That's why you can buy sometimes 2 kind of different articles and the inside will have the same housing different - or the opposite 2 items from the outside the same in the middle of quite different - just as the manufacturer goes to the factory and order electronic module that they have already developed it will have cheaper and if he starts to invent his patents he will pay more and he may not pay for it because the next one will go for him, he will pay less
because the modules are already developed and paid for it before it .
And an important matter - such a producer can usually only be a native of China. If you went to such a factory yourself, there is no chance nobody will talk to you.

ps with this secretary at the producer is not a matter of certain - sooner secretary because "kobit" is there as a medicine. When you walk down the street, for 100 people you pass by, 90 are guys or I was so unlucky.

Hello
Colleagues, I am looking for a Polish test guide for the FORSCHER FS809 or can someone send in a pdf?