Citroen C3 1.4HDi - does not start - does not turn the starter

Hello.
It started with one day the car didn`t start for the first time - the starter didn`t turn over. Within three days it got to the point where he was shooting for the 30th time.
On the "antipollution fault" screen. When he started it, it drove normally. Then he started
it also goes out while driving, and you can`t start it with the starter. Somehow
I reached the service center where diagnostics were performed.
Generally, there are no errors - that`s what the diagnostician said. I received a printout from the computer.
There are three errors there:
error memory reading: EDC16DV4_E4
Calculator: internal calculator fault. Intermittent local error
Calculator: internal calculator fault. Intermittent local error
injection system power relay circuit (1st stage): Opening too fast
or the relay is still stuck together
Interestingly, during the service the car started smoking every time and ran like clockwork.
I got home and after an hour I couldn`t start it. He doesn`t smoke at all.
In addition, the "economy mode" is activated. After charging the battery
economy mode disappears. The battery is healthy, new, 12.78V. Several H4 bulbs burn without any problems.
The relays tick during startup. I checked the grounds and power supply of the ECU - it`s ok.
The ECU is Bosch EDC16C34.
BSM 9664997880.
Year of production 2009, exclusive version, VIN VF7FC8HZC9A105803
Fuse F8 in the BSM is ok.
Now my question:
I want to check the starter - whether the solenoid control cable is activated
specifying mass or plus? Where exactly is the other end of this cable - which plug and which pin?

If anyone has it, please send me a piece of the diagram for this car with the starting circuit visible
starter. I leave the construction of the starter until the end, after performing full diagnostics.
If the injection relay error is important, I will also ask for this fragment of the diagram
and the location of this relay, plug and pins.

+ controls the starter.
Regenerating the starter should help, check the relay controlling the starter solenoid in the fuse box - just smell it and see if it smells of burning.

I bought a starter for PLN 100 and replaced it

Moderated By T5:

A starter fault will not turn off the car while driving.
3/1/11. Don`t send messages that don`t add anything to the discussion. They are misleading, dangerous or do not solve the user`s problem.
Warning.

I`m afraid that in this type of BSM, the relay controlling the coil is soldered to the board and to get to it you have to disassemble the entire module. Maybe this topic will be helpful for you
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2735680.html

Why take it apart, a used module costs less than a pack of cigarettes.

Today I had some time and checked the starter.
Unfortunately, it works perfectly - it spins like mad.
Despite this, the engine cannot be started.
There are no signs in the air expelled from the exhaust pipe
fuel. There is no air in the fuel system, the fuel filter is new.
Inter-module communication is because when I turn the key to
position in which the lights come on, after a while all other lights go out
battery and motor.
I repeat my request for a diagram.

Yes, the relay ticks, but only when "Econo mode" is not activated.
The ECU contacts are in perfect condition.
In general, all cables and contacts look the same as when they left the factory.

T5 wrote:

Why take it apart, a used module costs less than a pack of cigarettes.

These used BCMs are getting more and more expensive. Today I ordered L04-00 and finally decided to buy a new one, because the cheapest used one on Allegro is PLN 578 plus package. And you can get a new original for under PLN 1,000.

ptr92 wrote:

Today I ordered it with the marking L04-00

These are expensive, I put them with a higher index instead, they are much cheaper.

6-pin gray plug, thickest wire, pin no. 6, probably electromagnet control, it is best to insert an additional external relay if the starter is ok. Problems with starting, unfortunately, the preview of parameters during start-up, if it does not catch errors.

Unfortunately, replacing the BSM did not help - the problem is the same, although I have no way to clear the error.
If the "antipollution fault" error is displayed and the fault is removed, the error occurs
I didn`t delete it, so you can`t start the engine?
Or if everything was OK, would the engine start despite the computer error?

Maybe you know a good Citroen diagnostic specialist near Grodzisk Mazowiecki?

In Pruszków on the avenues. Darek Zegar.

Today, another portion of measurements and I already know that:
- no communication with the ECU
- the measured battery voltage shown by BSI (after ignition) is 0.2V when the diagnostic interface was approximately 13V
- other modules communicate with BSI and can be read

a) Is the voltage measured by the ECU, and due to lack of communication does any minimum value appear?

b) How to check if the ECU works outside the car?

c) Is it possible to force power supply and ground and when CAN works, it means that
ECU alive?

This thread resembles my problem: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2712291.html
Unfortunately, I have a BOSCH ECU and I don`t know if the diagram will fit

Further measurements and I already know that the ECU is not working.
Unable to read processor flash memory.

Hence the question: does anyone have an original flash insert for such a car?
Car details in previous posts.
ECU Bosch 9664843480.
In general, it will be a Citroen C3 II 1.4HDi from 2009. without dpf.
Exclusive version with cruise control.

If you`ve flown so far, buy a computer to transfer the eep. After the case

I did that, I`m waiting for the shipment, but....
It turns out that the compatibility of most numbers on the computer does not guarantee that
it will fit a given engine.
The donor`s VIN number should be known, but in most cases this is difficult.
Transferring the eeprom itself without losing the maps is a big risk.
During the search, I found ECU computers compatible with my numbering, and it turned out that
they were, for example, from Peugeot 207 1.6 HDi.
It is a different engine, so such an ECU, despite the number compatibility, is not suitable.

Hence my request for the original flash input.

I already have a new computer with old eeprom.
CAN communication is as it should be.
You can communicate with the ECU via the diagnostic connector.
During operation, there are no errors on the ECU.
The engine starts, but only by controlling the starter positive.

Still no starter control and no excitation
for the alternator. There is power for the injection pump. He jumps in almost immediately
economy mode. Where and after what fuse does it follow
battery voltage measurement?

Does anyone have a power supply diagram for these sections with BSI and BSM? If so, please.

You may find it useful:
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3388205.html

The car is already running.
Only the engine ECU turned out to be the culprit.
Replacing it solved the problem. There was a bit of a problem with...
BSM, different number and it turned out that booting and charging did not work.
Returning to the original BSM solved the issue.
It seems that, contrary to Internet opinions, BSMs with numbers
9664997880 R09 and 9667199780 R09 are interchangeable, this is NOT the case.

Regards
ps. there was no towing and no specialists, a
it`s hard to find those today