Overcoming False Motion Detection in Hikvision DS-2CD1041 Cameras & DS-7608NI-K2/8P Recorder

Hello !

I recently bought such a Hikvision kit:
DS-2CD1041 cameras
recorder DS-7608NI-K2 / 8P

In general, the set meets my expectations, quality is ok in particular when it comes to price. The only problem is motion detection. I set up the recording after detecting motion and if it is ok during the day, at night I have about 20 x 3-5s of recording per hour. It's enough that an insect flies and is already waking up. It makes searching and accessing scenes a little difficult. I skip the issue of cooperation with the alarm, because with such a number of false detections it makes no sense.
What surprises me in these cameras is the range of sensitivity adjustment, it seems to be from 0-6, where 0- no detection, 1 - the effect I described, higher sensitivity is almost continuous recording. The camera is quite simple and has no available features such as detection of crossing the line or face.
Now I have to decide whether to buy another same model or buy a higher Hikvision model (I don't want to mix producers any more) for some PLN 600-700. Some cameras in this range already have the function of detecting faces, objects, etc. I do not mean the quality of face detection, but can such a camera have better motion detection than the cheap 2CD1041?
Maybe someone has experience with cameras such as DS-2CD2035FWD-I, DS-2CD2055FWD-I?

At night you will always have detection problems. Try to eat with VCA options "crossing the line" or "intrusion into the area"

GRZEGORZ OST wrote:

At night you will always have detection problems. Try to eat with VCA options "crossing the line" or "intrusion into the area"

The camera listed above does not support this function.
The question is whether these higher models, among others with this function, have better detection. For me, no matter whether it is an area or a line, it is important that at night at any moth does not detect movement.

mlukjani wrote:

I skip the issue of cooperation with the alarm, because with such a number of false detections it makes no sense.

This generally doesn't make sense. Note that the external sensors are completely differently constructed than the internal sensors. Dual detectors are mounted outside.

marek216 wrote:

mlukjani wrote:

I skip the issue of cooperation with the alarm, because with such a number of false detections it makes no sense.

This generally doesn't make sense. Note that the external sensors are completely differently constructed than the internal sensors. Dual detectors are mounted outside.

It would make sense if it was a gun, e.g. for firing external lighting.
I just don't know if TTTM or all cameras of this type work in the dark.

Strange thing with this Hikvision. Today I connected the camera directly to a computer and there are many more options for motion detection. There is a basic and advanced mode, in the latter the sensitivity is 0-100 in steps of 1 (not every 10 as in the DVR), you can set separate sensitivities for the night and day and there are still some percentages.
When connecting via DVR, I see only the basic mode without these options.
Why does the DVR cut it?

By the way, is there any way to get to the cameras connected to the DVR over IP?
Outside, I can only see IP DVR.

mlukjani wrote:

By the way, is there any way to get to the cameras connected to the DVR over IP?

Logic for what?
From a PC, you can log in to IP cameras bypassing the DVR

mlukjani wrote:

By the way, is there any way to get to the cameras connected to the DVR over IP?
Outside, I can only see IP DVR.

Of course it is. Redirect camera ports on the router. Like the recorder ports. Just what for?

How is a POE recorder connected to all cameras and net connected to a lan, how does it get on the camera through the recorder?
It can enter, but it must be set on the recorder and log in via the IP address provided in the recorder.
No redirections on the router !!!

On the recorder you need to enable the virtual host and that's it.

marek216 wrote:

mlukjani wrote:

By the way, is there any way to get to the cameras connected to the DVR over IP?

Logic for what?
From a PC, you can log in to IP cameras bypassing the DVR

I just can't .. DVR blocks it, IP addresses or even MAC addresses are not visible outside the DVR.
Yes, I read that the only solution is to leave the LAN DVR port plugged into the router and plug the second cable connecting the DVR switch with the router, then cameras will be available through the router.
Strange solution ..., there is still a way with virtual host, but I don't know if my DVR supports it.

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xury wrote:

mlukjani wrote:

By the way, is there any way to get to the cameras connected to the DVR over IP?
Outside, I can only see IP DVR.

Of course it is. Redirect camera ports on the router. Like the recorder ports. Just what for?

It won't do anything since the router can't see these cameras.

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Fotodetektor wrote:

On the recorder you need to enable the virtual host and that's it.

Do you know how to do it?

Go to my recorder, network tab (advanced), last sub-tab (other). There it will be possible to enable the virtual host (enable this option).
We go to the system tab, manage cameras and finally there will be a link next to the cameras (redirection to the appropriate port 65001 ...) to each of the cameras.

Fotodetektor wrote:

Go to my recorder, network tab (advanced), last sub-tab (other). There it will be possible to enable the virtual host (enable this option).
We go to the system tab, manage cameras and finally there will be a link next to the cameras (redirection to the appropriate port 65001 ...) to each of the cameras.

Thanks, mate !
I thought that it would have to be activated via ssh
I found according to your description the DVR menu via www, but the link does not show me.
Most importantly, it works when you enter the IP DVR and ports sequentially from 65001 for subsequent cameras.
We'll see what the DVR has on how to change the configuration directly in the camera (e.g. add motion detection options)

Hello
Dude Mlukjani, can you reply how the DVR reacted to a change of configuration directly from the camera? (regarding motion detection options)

rutra111 wrote:

Hello
Dude Mlukjani, can you reply how the DVR reacted to a change of configuration directly from the camera? (regarding motion detection options)

Works fine, camera configuration overwrites the DVR configuration, so you can set different sensitivity at night and day.
Sometimes it happens that dvr overwrites the configuration and then you need to refresh through the settings in the cameras.

So from what you write, you need to select the motion detection option in the DVR, then select the minimum sensitivity in the DVR, remember the settings and go to the camera menu and then select the motion detection options, set the sensitivity, etc. at night, day and remember. Only the DVR will overwrite the camera settings ?. Yes?.
(and you are not allowed to set anything in the DVR anymore because if you change something in the DVR it will be treated as a priority of DVR settings) And we want the priority from cameras.

rutra111 wrote:

So from what you write, you need to select the motion detection option in the DVR, then select the minimum sensitivity in the DVR, remember the settings and go to the camera menu and then select the motion detection options, set the sensitivity, etc. at night, day and remember. Only the DVR will overwrite the camera settings ?. Yes?.
(and you are not allowed to set anything in the DVR anymore because if you change something in the DVR it will be treated as a priority of DVR settings) And we want the priority from cameras.

I didn't go into the details. After DVR settings, I set cameras and that's it.

Hello, I would like to use the topic and develop it a bit.
Recently, I installed the Hikvision camera system with the HWN-4116MH recorder and I have a question whether it is possible to configure the camera settings remotely, i.e. motion detection from the level of iVMS software from a different network than the one in which the recorder works.
I am logged in to the cloud (photo) and I have live view from all cameras, but when I enter "Event management" iVMS doesn't see any camera, only an empty recorder folder.
Is it possible to change the motion detection settings from the iVMS level on a PC from another network and so that these settings will be saved in the recorder after "turning off" the computer?
Thank you in advance for your help

What is your sensitivity setting so that at least during the day it doesn't catch every fly that passes by?

ku34 wrote:

What is your sensitivity setting so that at least during the day it doesn't catch every fly that passes by?

I do not know what recorder you have, but I have no problem with the value set at the factory on the iDS-7208HQHI-M1. It's just that all their Motion Detection 2.0 is there

@ Ziemson24
Did you do something?

For me, even on the local network, this folder is empty.