Purchase of a new washing machine - low-failure, durable, low water consumption

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Unfortunately, after 11 years of intensive and failure-free use, my Siemens WM14E460PL / 3 washing machine has perforated the rear drum wall. From what I read on the forums, the repair does not make sense. Therefore, I am forced to buy a new washing machine and I would like to ask for help in choosing.
Having confidence in the brand, I lean to Bosch / Siemens, but I don't insist. My priorities are 1) durability and failure-free operation, 2) high load capacity, 3) low water consumption. The price is of secondary importance - I would prefer, for example, to around 2,000. PLN, but if it makes sense to pay 3 or 4 thousand (from what I read on the forum, not too much), I can also consider more expensive models.
Of course, I really care about time, so I am asking for advice.

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3) low water consumption.

Think carefully about whether you want well-washed clothes or low water consumption.

arekb81 wrote:

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3) low water consumption.

Think carefully about whether you want well-washed clothes or low water consumption.

Of course, well washed is the most important thing.
My point was that I have a septic tank at home and if I had to choose, I would prefer less water, but of course not at the expense of washing quality.
Any specific suggestions or will you end up only with pincers?

The question is whether you live in a block of flats or in a cottage. I recommend LG for the block, because there is no V-belt to drive, only the engine is directly behind the drum, which makes it quiet. Doesn't crush or whistle like a jet plane. For 2 years I have the F10B8ND model (6kg and 4 5cm deep), so far it works, the only downside is the lack of a spin-only program (there is only a rinse with spinning). If you are considering buying a clothes tumble dryer in the future, choose a washing machine with a higher speed, from 1200 up (I bought a dryer without a Bosch heat pump thanks to the electrode, but I would not want Bosch washing machines). Samsung and LG give 10 years warranty for the inverter motor, but Samsung is on the belt. So far, I haven't found another company like LG that has a silent drive. As for water, lower consumption is associated with longer washing time and under-washing. In practice, despite the multitude of programs, I only use one program "60 minutes washing".
PS, whatever washing machine you would buy, buy a washing machine filter (the cartridge lasts for six months), washing every week.

Thanks for the answer. I live in the house and the washing machine is in such a place that I am not bothered by noise. I don't really need a filter, because I have a water treatment plant and the water is soft throughout the house. I have a lot of confidence in the Bosch / Siemens brand, because both in the previous apartment and now in the house we have everything Bosch or Siemens and the washing machine is the first device that broke down. From what I read on the forum, 12 years is a pretty good result anyway, considering that we raised our two children from birth. From what I've read, most new B / S washing machines now also have a 10 year motor warranty.

mjkmjk1 wrote:

I have great confidence in the Bosch / Siemens brand.

And then you can trust BSH. WAN washing machines have been available for some time, which are very quiet, fully serviceable and based on the proven design of WAE washing machines. For example, a model is worth recommending WAN2426EPL - 8 kg, 1200 rpm, a very large number of programs. And the water plus option for more thorough washing.

Thank you very much for this opinion. I will check if there is anything 9 kg in this line, because I want the largest drum possible. On the other hand, I still have to check if the increase in kg = the increase in the volume of the drum.

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Unfortunately, only WAY, WAW and WAT are 9 kg

mjkmjk1 , see Bosch's offer, it's worth getting acquainted with it.
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arekb81 , he wrote:

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Think carefully about whether you want well-washed clothes or low water consumption.

Whether it is washed well does not depend on the amount of water, but on technological solutions and, of course, detergents,

mjkmjk1 wrote:

[...] I have great confidence in the Bosch / Siemens brand [...]

"Vertrauen ist gut, Kontrolle ist besser" [trust is good, control is better], my German friend from a car service used to say.
The best - in my opinion - seems to be limited trust.
We had three Bosch / Siemens devices, all purchased in the 1990s. Two of them are still operating today. Bosch WOH 4210 washing machine - after more than 15 years of operation, the engine stopped working, I replaced the brushes, it works to this day. Siemens HE48E54 oven - only replacing the bulbs illuminating the inside of the baking chamber.
In the Siemens ceramic hob (it is not an integral part of the oven, but was sold with it) the heating zones burned out several times. Original box bought
on the website it costs about PLN 400-600, I bought a field with the same diameter / power parameters for PLN 85. Both fields, original and replacement, are made by the same EGO company. The Bosch refrigerator was an infamous exception, as it broke probably 3-4 times in about 2 years. At that time, the refrigerant was filled, the electronic controls were replaced, eventually the post-warranty service surrendered and could not repair the refrigerator.

In the case of the washing machine and oven, one can speak of durability and reliability, however, when it comes to the refrigerator, I was very disappointed with the Bosch brand.

My friends were similarly disappointed with the Siemens refrigerator. For me, the Bosch refrigerator lasted almost 10 years and I sold it together with the apartment. Now I have a second one that works for 2.5 years without failures. Other equipment too. Maybe it's luck, or maybe I'm buying the more expensive models. I do not know. Maybe both.

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Ryszard49 wrote:

mjkmjk1 , see Bosch's offer, it's worth getting acquainted with it.
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arekb81 , he wrote:

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Think carefully about whether you want well-washed clothes or low water consumption.

Whether it is washed well does not depend on the amount of water, but on technological solutions and, of course, detergents,

I was on the Bosch website. I read and analyze. Unfortunately, the manufacturer's comparison site does not sin with transparency (if it starts at all and does not crash soon).

I remembered that my sister has a Samsung washing machine with this kind of active air bubble system, a marketing hoax. And don't believe these things like washing in cold water. It's like washing dishes in cold water
LG has 6 different movements of the drum during washing (you have videos on YT) from practice, because once I do my laundry at home and once on an old electrolux washing machine and I can see the differences. This 6-drum function does not work with all programs - that's a minus, unfortunately no info in the manual. I mentioned the filter because I noticed that the detergents foam more in soft water than when I did not have the filter.
Also note that the washing machine selects water for washing, but not for rinsing.
Below are some photos of my washing machine filter. Reliable cast iron risers.



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Felini wrote:

mjkmjk1 wrote:

[...] I have great confidence in the Bosch / Siemens brand [...]

"Vertrauen ist gut, Kontrolle ist besser" [trust is good, control is better], my German friend from a car service used to say.
The best - in my opinion - seems to be limited trust.
We had three Bosch / Siemens devices, all purchased in the 1990s.
In the case of the washing machine and oven, one can speak of durability and reliability, however, when it comes to the refrigerator, I was very disappointed with the Bosch brand.

It turns out that there is no one company that is good at everything.
In the 90s, it seems to me that the durability of the products was slightly different. So far, Sony TV works for me.
Parents have a 90s Zanussi refrigerator, still working.
All in all, you are looking for a company that has simple design solutions to be able to repair it yourself, or the costs will not exceed the purchase of a new device. So what if most manufacturers give a 10-year warranty on the washing machine motor, since the electronics will probably fail faster.

I was in the shop. The seller suggested the 8 series from Bosch because it is made in Germany. Series 4 and 6 reportedly in Poland and Russia. I don't know if it matters in this case. It's hard to be a patriot in this country.

mjkmjk1, The seller is right.

cakp wrote:

It turns out that there is no one company that is good at everything [...]

Talking to a German salesman in a store, I heard that Bosch does not necessarily make good refrigerators, but washing machines are ok. This and other German sellers mentioned the Liebherr brand as the manufacturer of the best domestic refrigeration equipment, in my case it works for now.
As for the durability of household appliances from the 90s, let's look at how much on average monthly salaries such a Bosch washing machine then bought and how much it costs today.
I also recently said goodbye to Sony Trinitron, he worked for about 23 years, but then it cost PLN 3500-4000 + inflation. Today we buy 42 "for e.g. PLN 1900.

I had a friend who worked in a fairly high position in a well-known company producing household appliances in Poland. He said they once got a very large order for products from one of the Scandinavian buyers. There was one condition; we take so many pieces, but the price must be such and such. Either the producer meets the conditions, or the contract thread. What did they do? The engineers were given a job; "you have to meet certain specific costs." So they started to count, as if using a thinner sheet, instead of 0.5 mm to 0.4 mm, instead of using more expensive plastic to make this part from cheaper, lower quality, and they continued their reasoning. The price pressure exerted by the recipient translated into the quality of the product. You can ask yourself whether the market, on the other hand, is not putting pressure on producers in this direction?

As for the place of production, Poland, Germany or another country, I think it is of secondary importance, the class of equipment seems to be more important. My Liebherr fridge and freezer are premium class and I don't even know where they were made. So far, both have been operating without failure, one for over 6 years, the other for over 3 years.

mjkmjk1 wrote:

I was in the shop. The seller suggested the 8 series from Bosch because it is made in Germany. Series 4 and 6 reportedly in Poland and Russia. I don't know if it matters in this case. It's hard to be a patriot in this country.

I have a BOSCH hair dryer series 6, with a label made in poland. LG f10b8DN washing machine, made in poland
Hopefully the devices have been around for a long time The washing machine was supposed to be quiet
LG constructed the engine in an interesting way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrYFFVso0KQ
Marketing looks like this, but if you screw up your clothes, it shakes slightly but only slightly, the glass of water will not spill out

it looks technically more interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ys1X85eIjE

Buy a used Miele, 5-6 years old. I've been using mine for the fifth year with no problems, and it has already 11. The manufacturer guarantees its operation for up to 20 years. If I cannot afford a new Mercedes, I buy a used one and recommend it