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Differential TEST Button Not Working: Electrical Changes, Damaged or Installation Issue?

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  • #1 16843760
    ralfi76
    Level 10  
    I did "TEST" with the differential button - it worked, i.e. the light went out.
    After a few weeks and after some changes in the electricity, such as adding a few points of light and moving the sockets the "TEST" button does not work anymore.
    The question is whether the electrician mixed up something in the installation or could the differential be damaged?
    Another electrician did a test where there was a beam of sparks and found that the differential did not work and it should be replaced.

    Generally, everything works in the restaurant and it is not possible to perform the "Test" ... is it really a differential to be replaced? could an accidental exchange of N and PE cause such anomalies during the modification of the installation?
    I would like to know an independent opinion ..
    Thanks in advance for your help.
    greetings
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    #2 16843781
    Krzysztof Kamienski
    Level 43  
    ralfi76 wrote:
    N and PE could cause such an anomaly?
    Rather not, see the diagram and principle of work of the RCD.
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    #3 16843824
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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  • #4 16843832
    ralfi76
    Level 10  
    This one is from Schrack.
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    #5 16843863
    kortyleski
    Level 43  
    ralfi76 wrote:
    Another electrician did a test where the sparks were

    When he comes next time, put on the heaviest shoes you have and put on a solid kick. Maybe you can save some percentage of humanity. He was so right that the RCD should be replaced. And out of curiosity, when was the last inspection of the installation done? By name, a five-year-old ...
  • #6 16843867
    ralfi76
    Level 10  
    kortyleski wrote:
    And out of curiosity, when was the last inspection of the installation done?

    a year ago....
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    #7 16843917
    kortyleski
    Level 43  
    Since the test does not work and you did not bury anything in the switchgear, the RCD should be replaced. The simplest test is to connect a 230V15W bulb between L and PE in any socket. As the RCD works, it will disconnect the current. If it does not work, the bulb will light ...
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    #8 16843967
    Akrzy74
    Rest in Peace
    ralfi76 wrote:
    After a few weeks and after some changes in the electricity, such as adding a few points of light and moving the sockets the "TEST" button does not work anymore.
    The question is whether the electrician mixed up something in the installation or could the differential be damaged?

    Both scenarios are possible. Standard measurements with an RCD test meter are sufficient.

    Added:
    Ps. Half measure - turning off the power, disconnecting the drain wires from the RCD, turning on the voltage and functional check of the TEST button. However, in my opinion, this is not a task for a person without proper knowledge.
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    #9 16845467
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    Do this:. Switch off and on manually the RCD.
    After this operation, check TEST.
    When TEST starts to work "wonderfully" it means that only the mechanics are to blame.
    RCD for "electro-waste" only.
  • #10 16845482
    ralfi76
    Level 10  
    CYRUS2 wrote:
    Do this:. Manually turn off and on the RCD.
    After this operation, check TEST.
    When TEST starts to work "wonderfully" it means that only the mechanics are to blame.


    Thanks, I will check ...
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  • #11 16846360
    Akrzy74
    Rest in Peace
    For those who like to discuss everything and nothing - redundant posts have been removed (once again). The author wrote: "I will check". So please wait for the new data and then start a discussion based on the new experience.
  • #12 16847972
    ralfi76
    Level 10  
    ralfi76 wrote:
    CYRUS2 wrote:
    Do this:. Manually turn off and on the RCD.
    After this operation, check TEST.
    When TEST starts to work "wonderfully" it means that only the mechanics are to blame.


    Thanks, I will check ...


    I checked, unfortunately TEST does not work.
    I turned on and off and TEST several times and nothing ...... does not knock ...
    Maybe a hint: this differential is 40A three-phase .. if that matters ..
  • #13 16847982
    Łukasz-O
    Admin of electroenergetics
    So the RCD is replaceable.
  • #14 16847995
    kSmuk
    Level 21  
    ralfi76 wrote:
    Maybe a hint: this differential is 40A three-phase .. if that matters ..

    Maybe I will ask a stupid question, but is the installation single or three-phase?
    This is very important before you throw out the RCD, as improper connection of the four-pole RCD in a single-phase installation will result in the TEST function not working.
  • #15 16848001
    ralfi76
    Level 10  
    kSmuk wrote:
    Maybe I will ask a stupid question, but is the installation single or three-phase?

    I have two differentials - the first for a single-phase installation and this one works, and the second for three-phase and this is a problem ...
    As I understand it to replace ...
  • #16 16848031
    kSmuk
    Level 21  
    But is the installation single or three-phase?

    Take a picture of the connection of this RCD.
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    #17 16848032
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #18 16848051
    ralfi76
    Level 10  
    Differential TEST Button Not Working: Electrical Changes, Damaged or Installation Issue?

    Photo of the differential - check the voltage on phase 1?
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    #19 16848159
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #20 16848314
    kSmuk
    Level 21  
    ralfi76 wrote:
    Photo of the differential - check the voltage on phase 1?

    Take a picture of the switch connections after removing the cover.
  • #21 16848951
    radex324
    Level 24  
    @ CYRUS2 With the button, the resistor according to the right of the ohm, it activates at 20mA, which means that it has become more vigilant during these 20 years :)
  • #22 16863046
    ralfi76
    Level 10  
    Hello,
    After replacing the differential, everything returned to normal ..
    Thanks to everyone for your help.
  • #23 16863089
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #24 16863860
    radex324
    Level 24  
    @ Kraniec_Internetów Well, mine is still there because there is no more than 25 real current.
  • #25 16863910
    Krzysztof Reszka
    Moderator of Electrical engineering
    ralfi76 wrote:
    After replacing the differential, everything returned to normal ..
    Thanks to everyone for your help.

    Its operation should still be checked during measurements.
    We close the topic.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around a malfunctioning differential (RCD) test button in a restaurant's electrical installation. Initially, the test button worked, but after modifications to the electrical system, it ceased functioning. Users suggest that the RCD may need replacement due to potential damage or improper installation, especially after observing sparks during testing. Various troubleshooting methods are proposed, including checking voltage at the RCD and ensuring proper connections. Ultimately, the author confirmed that replacing the differential resolved the issue, restoring normal operation.
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