Exploring Ariston BUS BridgeNet Protocol for Boiler Operating Parameters Communication

Hello

I am looking for information on the protocol used to communicate with Ariston boilers. The manufacturer calls it BUS BridgeNet but does not provide any further information. I would like to read the operating parameters (water temperature, etc.). There is not much information on the web either, only that it can be based on Ebus . Ebus is generally available as standard description . Unfortunately, my attempts to preview, communicate using the Ebus converter failed. Maybe someone has more information on this topic and can share it?

best regards

I stick to the topic. I have a similar problem. I would like to take complete control of controlling my own drivers and security, while also being able to connect to my own applications. Ariston writes almost nothing about this communication protocol. If I do not find anything, I will not buy this boiler, and I just liked this manufacturer (if nobody knows anything, I will choose an alternative company that has better described ways of communicating).

I discover this:
BUS Bridgenet have EBUS phys/link layer, but

hanz0xFE wrote:

I discover this:
BUS Bridgenet have EBUS phys/link layer, but

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QQ = 0x70 (termostat master)
ZZ = 0x3C (boiler slave)
PB = 0x20 (bridgenet command)
SB = 0x01 
  0x00 (get setpoints)
  0x01 (get params )
  0x02 (get faults)
  0x0E (return params)
  0x70 (cast time) 
  0x38 (bus controls)  and more...
N1 = 2 (master data len)
IDL:IDH = 0x6810
  0x6810 (temperature heater out) 
  0x6910 (temp return)
  0x6210 (tem hot water tank)

 
N2 = 6 (slave data len)
L:H = real temp in 0.1C
L:H = min limit, ignored with measured
L:H = max limit

Where did you found this? It very hard to find any information about busbridge protocol, and it seems that is the one post on the internet that it seems to be working with data from Ariston heaters.
Currently I'm working with reverse engineering of this protocol, and I found also few additional codes (to turn on/off winter mode, turn on/off comfort mode)
I'm curious where did you found this

Hello hanz0xFE/komw
I also have an Ariston boiler (Genus One System) and have been working on understanding the communication when I found your posts.
I'm still experimenting with the messages, but so far I can confirm the following codes working:


I'm actually particularly interested in querying the boiler's system pressure , as I have a minor leakage in my system and would like to track it before it gets fixed.

Anyone has identified a command for this yet?

Btw I don't have any proprietary devices connected to BUS, only a FHEM ebus-ttl device which connects to a CH340 USB-TTL adaptor. I'm using ebusd for the communication.

Please contact me directly, because I'm working for an ebusd deamon configuration, and I found many others working codes.

gabor9 wrote:

Hello hanz0xFE/komw
I also have an Ariston boiler (Genus One System) and have been working on understanding the communication when I found your posts.
I'm still experimenting with the messages, but so far I can confirm the following codes working:

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PBSB ID
2010 6810 Heat Flow (out)
2010 6910 Heat Return
2010 6210 Hot Water Supply - For me the response to this is "06ff7f0080ff7f" so this is not connected.
2010 6510 Hot Water Supply (alternate?) - This is giving me the actual temperature of HWS tank
2010 c04b Boiler status (first byte of data) 01 - standby, 02 - heating, 04 - hotwater, 05 - circulating
200f 6147 HWS temp. pre-set
200f 6047 Heating #1 temp. pre-set
2070      Date/time announcement

I'm actually particularly interested in querying the boiler's system pressure , as I have a minor leakage in my system and would like to track it before it gets fixed.

Anyone has identified a command for this yet?

Btw I don't have any proprietary devices connected to BUS, only a FHEM ebus-ttl device which connects to a CH340 USB-TTL adaptor. I'm using ebusd for the communication.

Is good to know, that im not alone lost in ebus:)
I spent much time with reversing this protocol and last half year this project sleeps.
What i remebmer, and it was a reason for lay it aside, is devices handshake.
Termostat(sensys) and boiler(genus evo) perform device scan and handshake on start or new device connected to the bus. If not, is impossible to put question to boiler - he only responds with and no data.
Initialization of bus is started with bus reset emited from last connected device. Next are emited 16bytelen master identificators and then are asked slave adresses. Step 2 and 3 is repeated twice.
PBSB
2034 - bus reset
2031 - master device identificator bcasts
203A - request slave device
If it do Sensys, all works, is possible to disconnect sensys and play with boiler. When i try do own HS, it dont pass. So there is some more to discover.
I’ll reopen this case and put some more info.
If somebody know more, do the same.

I actually do not have any other devices but the boiler, still all functions seem to work (I can send and receive responses). I don't exactly know how, but after a bit of playing around I got a device with ID 3C appearing on the bus and therefore device 37 (the boiler) accepts and responds to any messages. I'll try to replicate this to learn how I got there. I only have a FHEM ebus board attached directly to the boiler's bus connector.

Ok, so what you use as master address, when you communicating with boiler?
Maybee this is what i do wrong, because im using Sensys addr (0x70/0x75)

Note that:
0x37 is master address (source) and 0x3C is slave address (destination) of same device (boiler in this case).
Destination = Source + 5

Alright, so I did everything from scratch. Restarted my pi that's communicating with the boiler (so ebusd as well) and the boiler itself.
For a few minutes, I couldn't send commands, all reads were timing out. Noted that I didn't have device 3c showing up yet.


After a couple of minutes, device 3c appeared and I could start to issue commands.
I didn't do anything in-between but re-execute the above "hex" and "info" commands.


Update: I realized that it might has to do something with boiler activity. If the boiler is active (heating for example) then it starts responding to messages from that point on.

Dodano po 3 [godziny] 14 [minuty]:

I attached a list of setting ID's I was able to read from my boiler with command 2001. I think command 2000 should return the same values with a slightly different binary representation. This should help on what values we need to focus on
I already got the interpretation of some of these at least, please see the last column

Guys, I've posted my configuration at:
https://github.com/komw/ariston-bus-bridgenet-ebusd

Did you faced problems with read timeout/ arbitration lost etc?
If I'm asking boiler for values (active read by send request to boiler slave) for example in every 1 second, my thermostat (Cube S Net) are often restarting (also sending bus restart command and restarting my boiler)

Thanks for the config
I have random arbitration lost/ACK error messages every few seconds, and wrong symbol received/read timeout much less often.
However, I also noticed that the communication occasionally turns to "read timeout"s, and then I cannot read any values. There is just no response from the boiler for a longer period of time. Interestingly, this seems to be resolved by itself if something "wakes it up", like if the heating or hot water kicks off. My suspicion is that the boiler turns to some form of sleeping mode after a while (probably after 30 minutes, according to my logs). Broadcast messages are still sent by the boiler continuously, so this is not a huge issue on my side - heating status is included in the broadcasts and that's what is most important for me.
Still, it would be nice if we could get rid of these errors and keep communication steady. I tried to play around with latencies and timeouts, just to make sure it's not a HW issue but without any changes.
If you get to timeouts a similar way, can you try to change something on the thermostat, push some buttons etc. to see if it restores the communication?
I have no restarts on my boiler though.

What type od ebus are you using? Ebus + wemos(esp-ebus) ? In a next few days I'll try to use ebus adapter directly connected to server via my USB-serial adapter. Maybe sending it via WIFI is the issue.
I didn't have problems that after some time boiler doesn't response to my packages. I faced another problem, because If I send a active read messages (not broadcast messages, but sending it to heater slave) to often, my boiler and thermostat are resetting (thermostat shows logo, etc), and do all initialization, I noticed that in this case, boiler/thermostat send an bus reset message 2034)
My thermostat constantly sending many packages over the net to boiler, It seems to be some kind of ping messages.

Currently I'm trying to tweek how often I can ask the boiler for values without resets etc.
I'm using Genus One + Cube S Net thermostat. For ebus I\m using a v2.0 adapter + wemos with ebus-esp firmware (I'm connecting ebusd to wemos via WIFI)

gabor9 wrote:

Thanks for the config
I have random arbitration lost/ACK error messages every few seconds, and wrong symbol received/read timeout much less often.
However, I also noticed that the communication occasionally turns to "read timeout"s, and then I cannot read any values. There is just no response from the boiler for a longer period of time. Interestingly, this seems to be resolved by itself if something "wakes it up", like if the heating or hot water kicks off. My suspicion is that the boiler turns to some form of sleeping mode after a while (probably after 30 minutes, according to my logs). Broadcast messages are still sent by the boiler continuously, so this is not a huge issue on my side - heating status is included in the broadcasts and that's what is most important for me.
Still, it would be nice if we could get rid of these errors and keep communication steady. I tried to play around with latencies and timeouts, just to make sure it's not a HW issue but without any changes.
If you get to timeouts a similar way, can you try to change something on the thermostat, push some buttons etc. to see if it restores the communication?
I have no restarts on my boiler though.

My setup is: Raspberry Pi 3B+ -> CH340 USB-TTL adaptor -> FHEM ebus adaptor.
I'm also running a couple of other things on the Pi, like the "Evohome Listener/Sender" for communicating with Honeywell Evohome.
Have you tried setting different polling priorities (r2..r9 instead of r1)?
I thought it may make a difference if you pull the data less often.

gabor9 wrote:

Hello hanz0xFE/komw

I'm actually particularly interested in querying the boiler's system pressure , as I have a minor leakage in my system and would like to track it before it gets fixed.

Anyone has identified a command for this yet?

Btw I don't have any proprietary devices connected to BUS, only a FHEM ebus-ttl device which connects to a CH340 USB-TTL adaptor. I'm using ebusd for the communication.

Hi all, this is what I discovered:
2000 0875 System pressure (bar * 10) and heater power (255...0)

10 3c 20 00 08 75 47 c4 04 c5 46 c1 04 f1 00 06 0f 0c 00 00 01 00 d9

0x0c = 1.2 bar
0x00 = burner power (valid only if burner state is ON)

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gabor9 wrote:

Hello hanz0xFE/komw
2000 0875 System pressure (bar * 10) and heater power (255...0)

10 3c 20 00 08 75 47 c4 04 c5 46 c1 04 f1 00 06 0f 0c 00 00 01 00 d9

0x0c = 1.2 bar
0x00 = burner power (valid only if burner state is ON)

Did you mean a Ariston Genus One Boiler? Because I didn't found those values on my heater. Only 2000 7547 but it means only a system pressure, not a burner power.

I changed my wemos+esp_ebus firmware to orange pi zero+ with internal UART controller, and not it works fine without read timeouts etc.. Its probably because an Ariston are more sensitive to latency than Valiant and other boilers.
i put my Ebusd configuration to github: https://github.com/komw/ariston-bus-bridgenet-ebusd

10 3c 20 00 08 75 47 c4 04 c5 46 c1 04 f1 00 06 0f 0c 00 00 01 00 d9

is raw ebus packet, means:

10 3c : source - dest
20 00 : PBSB = request data
08 : master data len
75 47 : request ID system pressure
c4 04 : request ID ? burner power
c5 46 : request ID ?
c1 04 : request ID ?
f1 : master CRC
00 : slave ACK
06 : slave data len
0f : ? status ?
0c : system pressure return (7547)
00 : ? burner power (C404)
00 01 00 : ???
d9 : slave crc

So, its mean that my Genus One Net doesn't have such command.
If I'm asking for c404 (no matter if boiler is heating or not) I'm getting empty response:

ebusctl hex 3c200002c404 ->
020100

Dodano po 1 [minuty]:

From another hand.
Guys did't you found a solution for getting a gas metter? In Ariston App there is such estimation for gas usage, It will be good to get it via ebus

Ok, so my system is a Genus Premiumm Evo, with Solar In Evo System. I've one Sensys configured as Remote Control.
I've no zones defined and no zone sensors (only on/off thermostats).
My interface is a simple optocoupler and one inverter connected to a ftdi232. No transmission interface, so I can only listen to traffic on the bus.
My raspberry runs with windows 10 core and I write the software using visual studio 17 and c #. I don't use ebusd
In this configuration, I can listen to the following messages (not all, some others I can't understand the meaning):

masters: 10 (Sensys), 33 (Solar Manager) and 38 (Burner)

10 fe 20 70 LL broadcast Date Time

10 fe 20 50 LL 55 55 or 00 00 broadcast ??? (seems a sort of counter/pace)
10 fe 20 51 LL broadcast ??? (counter + status bits?)

33 fe 20 10 LL
64 97 broadcast boiler LOW temp
6f 10 broadcast boiler HI temp

37 fe 20 0f LL
76 47 broadcast external temp
60 47 broadcast heater water temp. (floor circuit)
37 fe 20 10 LL
c0 4b broadcast heater status (01 - standby, 02 - heating, 04 - HWS, 05 - post-circulator)
61 47 broadcast HWS temp setpoint
67 97 broadcast ??? temp (always 58°C)

01 91
.....
07 91 broadcast ??? 7 params, always zeros. Zones settings?

37 fe 20 10 LL 64 97 44 02 00 65 97 44 02 00 66 97 44 02 broadcast ??? 3 parameters 9764, 9765, 9766 always 0244 (58.0°C). Could it be zones temp. set? I've no zones configured

10 38 20 00 LL 6c 10 6d 10 6f 10 70 10 solar collector(106c), boiler LOW (106d), boiler HI temps (106f) and ??? (1070) (always ff38 -20°C)
10 38 20 00 LL d1 40 6b 10 73 47 c1 00 ??? (40d1), ??? (106b), solar circulator flux (l/min)(4773) and solar circulator status (0/1) (00c1)
10 38 20 00 LL d4 showers num. and hot water tank % fill (this message appears only when I ask for solar tank status on the Sensys)

10 3c 20 00 LL 68 10 d1 40 c0 4b 0e 11 ??? always 0f (1068), floor heating circuit out (40d1), always 09 (c04b), heater status (01,02,04,05) and burner status (on/off) (110e)
10 3c 20 00 LL 75 47 c4 04 c5 46 c1 04 ??? always 0f (4775), circuit pressure (bar) (04c4), ??? (46c5) and burner power (0...255) (04c1)

10 3c 20 00 02 02 41 a5 00 -> 02 01 00 b7 ??? always 01 00
10 3c 20 00 02 02 45 a1 00 -> 02 01 00 b7 ??? always 01 00
10 38 20 00 08 03 01 03 03 c2 4b 78 47 -> 06 0f 00 00 01 00 00 7c ???

My goal was to monitor the operation of the solar system. So the Raspy collects the messages and calculates the averages every 5 minutes, then sends the results to an online web server, which then creates a daily chart.
I attach an example of a sunny day graph.



Now I'd like to make some statistics: I know when hot water is requested, I know when the burner has to start, so I can figure out how much gas is required for heating, how much for the sanitary water and how much is supplied by the solar panel.
Knowing the relative power of the boiler (0 ... 255), from Sensys I can see that the burner power is limited to 80% for heating and 67% for sanitary water. I can therefore approximately calibrate the value 0 ... 255 in KW and then in cubic meters of gas.

I'm still trying to find where in my boiler is the heating power (becuase you adress is not working for me).

Your procedure to calculate gas usage looks promising, but I need to find where my Ariston Genus One sends a power to ebus

My Ariston Genus One System 30 is yesterday mounted.
I did not bought a thermostat, as I would like to control it through Domoticz -> ebus.
Did you try to run the boiler without thermostat, or it must to be connected ?

Currently I'm using a switching thermostat connected to the TA1 port.
I also have a wood-fired boiler. If the pump of this boiler is active then by a relay the TA1 port is interrupted, so the gas boiler (Ariston Genus Evo Premium 24) stops heating.
This way the pump of the gas boiler and the pump of the other boiler cannot operate at the same time.

My question is if I would use a modulation thermostat using the BUS interface then can I simply interrupt the bus signal by a simple relay controlled by the wood fired boiler pump?
Or how is it possible to use the two boilers when using a modulation thermostat?

hi, I am very glad that I found this topic.
how to read boiler error codes from the bus? the boiler remembers the last 10 faults

Dodano po 31 [minuty]:

It seems to me that the boiler works like this: if no polling device is connected to it, the boiler sends telegrams starting with 0x37, for example
37FE20000261476D.
6147 - indicates that it supports such a request

I have an Ariston Genus One boiler with Sys control. I would like to read its parameters. The most important thing is how much gas does it use. Has anyone contacted the stove? @ElektrodaBot

See here:

https://github.com/wrongisthenewright/ebusd-configuration-ariston-bridgenet

The config files allow to read the error codes, but only some are translated from internal code to the correct reading.

Added after 15 [minutes]:

tpatai wrote:

Currently I'm using a switching thermostat connected to the TA1 port.
I also have a wood-fired boiler. If the pump of this boiler is active, then by a relay, the TA1 port is interrupted, so the gas boiler (Ariston Genus Evo Premium 24) stops heating.
This way, the pump of the gas boiler and the pump of the other boiler cannot operate at the same time.

My question is if I would use a modulation thermostat using the BUS interface, then can I simply interrupt the bus signal by a simple relay controlled by the wood-fired boiler pump?
Or how is it possible to use the two boilers when using a modulation thermostat?

The modulating thermostat, if connected, has higher priority over every other input so you cannot mix these (if remocon asks for flame it starts up even if TA1 is open). If you disconnect it via a relay surely you'll get errors on reconnect. The only way I see is using the TA2 port, configured as floor temp sensor. When you cut it (via relay) you shut off the boiler BUT you also lose the DHW as the boiler goes into a kind of error that auto resets when you close the TA2 contact again.

I've got an Ariston Lydos Hybrid heater. According to the manual (https://gepesz.hu/connect/dokumentumok/cikkfile/uj/gepk_ariston_lydos-hybrid_20180103_1639.pdf (page 19)), there is an RJ45 on the motherboard, which is supposed to provide a serial interface:



Has any of you managed to establish a connection with this device?