I became interested in the subject, but it turns out that in Polish conditions it may not play a role if the VPN company is located in Poland and not abroad, because it will know about us more or less as a domestic internet provider. -czy this option one of the better, there was a 50% promo on...

And what do you want to use. Because this is a question such as: is it worth buying a car with a diesel engine. For some it is cost-effective solutions and others do not need to.

I paid attention to the first offer because I do not want to use TOR. For sure sometimes I have such a need, and the fact that I use basic security from Microsoft (Antivirus) and free tools for worms etc. a few pennies saved in this way I'm willing to spend here. Instead of using public proxies that expire every now and then. It is not so profitable that I have something to hide, but a really worth considering option, in a building where I have several computers. Cheap what does this service segment mean?

As you have written, the Polish VPN operator knows about you as much as the link provider. Foreign the same, but you have no control over it (Polish theoretically applies Polish legal jurisdiction). How do you know that the VPN operator does not store logs, does not record traffic, does not sell information about you corporations with branches in the Cayman Islands, or does not inject malicious code. Do you have control over the operator's servers? Besides, hiding an address does not really mean anything with many much more sophisticated tracking techniques. These public VPNs are a bit like a child, which hid behind the wardrobe and thinks that parents do not see him.

And I will ask again - what do you want to hide, what to protect against? I ask you because you are writing something about transfers - that is the safest way from your phone. And why? Are you afraid that someone from your household or local network users will break SSL?

From VPN reviews on the forum agielsksim, it appears that dedicated paid proxies can match VPN. And general proxy lists are dangerous. In that case, what about elite proxies for free, since they are drying out fast anyway? For me, I see cookies as a real main threat. It happened to me that a stranger knew my login to a long-existing mailbox. I interrupted the contact, which is almost certainly someone from the crime story because I was looking for people to exchange knowledge. The logic is based on the fact that since I have everything free for computers, I want to know the advantages of VPN for money and that sense. Transfers are linux with pendrive, as for me but I do not use, unfortunately, because I keep hanging out with prndrive

There is nothing for free, what you have to pay ... VPN / Proxy and privacy - do not really be naive. Substitute of privacy: leased VPS server, there is your OWN concentrator, firewall, software router, etc. (price PLN 2000 / year), UTM home with the current license (price PLN 1500 / year).

I have the impression that the topics of security and, at the same time, your needs are understood at the level of media articles. Antivirus, SSL, transfers, TOR and hiding, hack on the mailbox ... each of them is a sekuritowym issue, but they have almost nothing to do with each other. And even they are the opposite: reliable determination of the authenticity of the account holder for the transfer - concealment, anonymisation.

Nonsense, read the context ..... I omit the fact that I rejected TOR, the anti-virus has built-in Microsoft, transfers can be made from lonuxa, and hiding in the context of working on the computer of the household - I think I explained? I do not spend any money on security, maybe it's time for something paid? So VPN is fake and delusional. Amen.

VPN itself is not a fake - it is the basis of all companies with mobile employees and remote branches. It is also useful when YOUR device uses the OBCEJ network (eg in a bad hotel). However, you need to know how to use it. However, these public VPNs - fake is the perfect term.

For me, computers and telephones are after WiFi. I understand that if someone works for a company, he goes to a guerrilla country in Africa, a bad hotel, a bad connection but he is, VPN is a good option.

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#1 16939513 06 Jan 2018 09:49

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I became interested in the subject, but it turns out that in Polish conditions it may not play a role if the VPN company is located in Poland and not abroad, because it will know about us more or less as a domestic internet provider.

https://vpnonline.pl/cennik -czy this option one of the better, there was a 50% promo on their services, is it just worth it then?
https://hide.me/pl/pricing - for free but is it worth it to turn back the time?

https://buyproxies.org/panel/cart.php?gid=2 - are there and 100 elite dedicated 100% dedicated in Poland?

I asked, because I think it's safer to use ordinary smartphones for transfers. I consider TOR as an alternative, but also more for the ravagers.
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And what do you want to use.
Because this is a question such as: is it worth buying a car with a diesel engine.

For some it is cost-effective solutions and others do not need to.
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I paid attention to the first offer because I do not want to use TOR.

For sure sometimes I have such a need, and the fact that I use basic security from Microsoft (Antivirus) and free tools for worms etc. a few pennies saved in this way I'm willing to spend here. Instead of using public proxies that expire every now and then.

It is not so profitable that I have something to hide, but a really worth considering option, in a building where I have several computers. Cheap what does this service segment mean?
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As you have written, the Polish VPN operator knows about you as much as the link provider. Foreign the same, but you have no control over it (Polish theoretically applies Polish legal jurisdiction).
How do you know that the VPN operator does not store logs, does not record traffic, does not sell information about you corporations with branches in the Cayman Islands, or does not inject malicious code. Do you have control over the operator's servers?
Besides, hiding an address does not really mean anything with many much more sophisticated tracking techniques. These public VPNs are a bit like a child, which hid behind the wardrobe and thinks that parents do not see him.

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And I will ask again - what do you want to hide, what to protect against?
I ask you because you are writing something about transfers - that is the safest way from your phone. And why?
Are you afraid that someone from your household or local network users will break SSL?
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From VPN reviews on the forum agielsksim, it appears that dedicated paid proxies can match VPN.
And general proxy lists are dangerous.
In that case, what about elite proxies for free, since they are drying out fast anyway?

For me, I see cookies as a real main threat. It happened to me that a stranger knew my login to a long-existing mailbox. I interrupted the contact, which is almost certainly someone from the crime story because I was looking for people to exchange knowledge.

czuker wrote:
And I will ask again - what do you want to hide, what to protect against?

The logic is based on the fact that since I have everything free for computers, I want to know the advantages of VPN for money and that sense.

czuker wrote:
I ask you because you are writing something about transfers - that is the safest way from your phone. And why?

Transfers are linux with pendrive, as for me but I do not use, unfortunately, because I keep hanging out with prndrive https://www.spi.dod.mil/download.htm
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There is nothing for free, what you have to pay ... VPN / Proxy and privacy - do not really be naive.
Substitute of privacy: leased VPS server, there is your OWN concentrator, firewall, software router, etc. (price PLN 2000 / year), UTM home with the current license (price PLN 1500 / year).

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I have the impression that the topics of security and, at the same time, your needs are understood at the level of media articles.
Antivirus, SSL, transfers, TOR and hiding, hack on the mailbox ... each of them is a "sekuritowym" issue, but they have almost nothing to do with each other.
And even they are the opposite: reliable determination of the authenticity of the account holder for the transfer - concealment, anonymisation.
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Antivirus, SSL, transfers, TOR and hiding ... each of them is a "sekuritowym" issue, but they have almost nothing to do with each other.

Nonsense, read the context ..... I omit the fact that I rejected TOR, the anti-virus has built-in Microsoft, transfers can be made from lonuxa, and "hiding" in the context of working on the computer of the household - I think I explained?

I do not spend any money on security, maybe it's time for something paid?

So VPN is fake and delusional. Amen.
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VPN itself is not a fake - it is the basis of all companies with mobile employees and remote branches.
It is also useful when YOUR device uses the OBCEJ network (eg in a bad hotel). However, you need to know how to use it.
However, these public VPNs - "fake" is the perfect term.

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For me, computers and telephones are after WiFi.

I understand that if someone works for a company, he goes to a guerrilla country in Africa, a bad hotel, a bad connection but he is, VPN is a good option.
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kuferekczasu wrote:
I understand that if someone works for a company, he goes to a guerrilla country in Africa, a bad hotel

The moment, because it's not entirely clear for you.

1. Company resources.
Most companies do not share the internal network's IT resources on the public Internet. To make use of these resources you have to connect to the company's LAN either directly (connect to the network in the company's office) or through the company's VPN, plug in anywhere (at home, in the hotel) to the internet and tie the VPN connection to the company.
2. Unsecured and untrusted networks
You can increase security by establishing communication via VPN from such a network.
3. Territorial restrictions
The vast majority of VOD services (and not only) provide services only to clients connecting to IP assigned to a specific country. if you want to avoid this limitation, you can establish a VPN connection to a server located in a specific country - your client will be seen as if it is connecting to the IP VPN server, therefore the VOD server will "let you" and make limited content available.

kuferekczasu wrote:
weak connection, but VPN is a good option.

Weak (raging, unstable response time) connection is often the enemy of VPN, which will be unbuttoned on the connection.
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kuferekczasu wrote:
For me, computers and telephones are after WiFi.

I understand that if someone works for a company, he goes to a guerrilla country in Africa, a bad hotel, a bad connection but he is, VPN is a good option.

You do not have to be in a partisan country. The vast majority of hotels in Poland do not block the network traffic between guest machines (many hotels and guest houses are even the reception and administration are not separated) and then it's already fun

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Moderately bright, I ask from here.
I make transfers via Epic Privacy Browser or linux.

jdubowski wrote:
3. Territorial restrictions

Exactly, but is it only worth the candle for this option?

kuferekczasu wrote:
The family members are green, somebody works in a public office. For example, he will make an entry that is not what he wants on the local forum.

Or this.

I come to the conclusion that while it is not about concealing the offense in a sense (then a person uses a VPN company in another country), then paying for a VPN is a duplicate subscription in the situation of a private user? The police will have two sources to confirm, and the criminal is looking for people who are full of privacy.

Well, the whole home-based software market would get through you At least people know that it's better to have something on the disk than not have one.
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kuferekczasu wrote:
Exactly, but is it only worth the candle for this option?

If you go skiing to Austria and your wife does not watch the episodes of the Crown of Kings, you'll know if it's worth it or not

kuferekczasu wrote:
I come to the conclusion that unless it is about masking the offense in a sense

+ needs that I mentioned above ...

kuferekczasu wrote:
is paying for a VPN is it like a doubly subscription in a private user's situation?

If you need something then you buy it. If unnecessary - you do not buy. Simple
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If you go skiing to Austria and your wife does not watch the episodes of the Crown of Kings, you'll know if it's worth it or not

For mobile transfer option for Free. And let's assume that I use the telephone, I have a VPN with fixed IP, what is the profit from such a situation?

kuferekczasu wrote:
https://hide.me/pl/pricing -

All the more why these semi-or dedicated elite proxies serve, because again I do not reliably correctly: /
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All the more why these semi-or dedicated elite proxies serve, because again I do not reliably correctly: /

Looking at the name, it seems to draw money from the unconscious ...
As such, prose is useful in achieving the goal of 3 w / g of my post.
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Rich countries earn in such a country has services that are real changes in their lives .....

It is the darkest under the lantern, the leoiej criminal acts as a corrupt official and uses the official computer, hence - why such popularity of TOR?

jdubowski wrote:
Looking at the name, it seems to draw money from the unconscious ...

Example: http://2proxy.pl/#oferta

"Q: Which pages can I connect to?

About: Twitter, Google, Youtube, Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn

Q: Why only these websites?

A: 2proxy.pl is intended mainly for users interested in accessing the indicated portals. "

You can earn a lot from anonymity, privacy is priceless - that's why few people can afford it. Read the comments at http://stylem.pl/publiczne-proxy-proxygen/

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VPN itself is not a fake - it is the basis of all companies with mobile employees and remote branches.

Three posts to the end, why do these users have such solutions, since the above posts are for art? (jargon)

https://www.forum.optymalizacja.com/topic/209...zie-kupi%C4%87?do=findComment&comment=1413909
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This proxy does not serve the end user to ensure anonymity, but is used for business purposes (you have examples in the text: API + marketing agencies).
The agency from the creation of "lying and advertising" buys access, has the ability to write applications (access to the API) and, for example, programmatically sends Facebook posts from various accounts and different IP addresses, and you think that so many people are interested in the product.
Another example: you have a web server and you get DDoS on a regular basis. You buy proxies and Internet users connect to this proxy, not directly to your server.
Another example: You have a popular portal, a lot of multimedia. You buy several proxies in various "world" sites and your clients connect not directly to you, only the nearest proxy server.
There are many such examples, but these are business goals. For private proxy users, however, it is mainly movies and geolocation.

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I ask you because you are writing something about transfers - that is the safest way from your phone. And why?

To what extent is this true, and whether all banks have it:

"The first and most important is that you have a dedicated app to the bank and you do not use a browser that you enter on different pages
but not via the browser, for example, the whole phishing falls out, the app may (and usually has) certificate pinning, so the AP can not do the MitM attack, in general the application has more influence on the connection with the bank, and usually uses it to block uncertain connections "- from my conversation with a programmer.
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....

czuker wrote:
And I will ask again - what do you want to hide, what to protect against?

The logic is that since I have everything for free on the computer, I want to know the benefits of a VPN for money and it makes sense.
...

Logic shows that your argument is illogical in every way, although I have only quoted this fragment.

And answering the question posed in the topic: yes, it is worth it, but in situations when it is necessary, and not using an external VPN server as a proxy and adding to it crude theories about alleged security and data hiding.

I use (and recommend to everyone) using a VPN for what it was created for - to transfer private data on the public network - e.g. to connect to the home network from the public network (from outside), or to other connections between your private networks.
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Logic shows that your argument is illogical in every way, although I have only quoted this fragment.

From the quoted excerpt you state categorically about the whole (generalize) my statements on the topic that I refreshed after two years, in order to add the following line. It is your logic that is interesting.

kuferekczasu wrote:
Is NordVPN the best option on the market today, should you look for a local one?

Erbit wrote:
I use (and recommend to everyone) to use a VPN for what it was created for - to transfer private data on the public network

And what was I telling the others? General issues aside, it was a practical application, not hiding from-anything and from-anyone.
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Erbit wrote:
Logic shows that your argumentation is illogical and every bit as illogical even though I quoted only this passage.

From the passage quoted, you state categorically about the totality (you generalise) of my statements in the topic which I refreshed after two years, just to add the following line. It is interesting this logic of yours.
kuferekczasu wrote:
Is NordVPN the best option on the market today, or look for some local one?
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Erbit wrote:
I use (and recommend to everyone) using a VPN for what it was created for - transferring private data over a public network
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And what did I seem to be talking about differently? General issues aside, it was about using it as practically as possible, not hiding from-anything and anyone.

Added after 21 [minutes]:

I certainly wanted to test some options and that's about it. Besides, a spec on this issue already wrote me here on PW that "VPN in the edition for the masses is a toy".... After two years I conclude that for the average user ("citizen") it is unnecessary. EOT.
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✨ The discussion revolves around the value of VPN services for private users, particularly comparing Polish and foreign providers. Participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of VPNs, noting that both Polish and foreign operators can track user data similarly. Concerns are raised about the potential for VPN providers to log user activity and the risks associated with free public proxies. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding personal security needs, with some users advocating for dedicated proxies over VPNs for specific use cases. The consensus suggests that while VPNs can enhance security in unsecured networks, their necessity for average users remains debatable, especially when considering the cost versus the perceived benefits.
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FAQ

TL;DR: 68 % of commercial VPNs log connection metadata [VPNReport, 2021]; a public VPN is "the perfect term for fake" [Elektroda, IC_Current, post #16940939] Private users gain value mainly for geo-unlocking, unsafe Wi-Fi, and home-LAN access—not generic anonymity.

Why it matters: Choosing the wrong service can leak more data than it protects.

Quick Facts

• Typical paid VPN: €3–€12 / month, discounts for 12-month plans [Top10VPN, 2023] • Polish ISPs must store connection logs for 12 months [Ustawa Prawo Telekomunikacyjne, Art. 180] • Only 8 % of the 90 largest VPNs have passed independent no-log audits [Top10VPN, 2022] • Free-tier speeds: approx. 2–10 Mb/s cap on hide.me [Hide.me FAQ] • Self-hosted VPS tunnel ≈ PLN 2 000 / year with management [Elektroda, IC_Current, post #16940884]

Does a VPN in Poland protect my identity better than my local ISP?

No. A Polish VPN falls under the same jurisdiction as your ISP and can be compelled to hand over logs [Elektroda, IC_Current, post #16940740] For true legal separation you must exit to a provider in another country without data-retention laws.

Are free public VPNs and proxy lists safe?

Rarely. Operators offset costs by selling traffic data or injecting ads; some even plant malware [PrivacySharks, 2022]. Forum users call public VPNs “fake” because of such practices [Elektroda, IC_Current, post #16940939]

What real-world benefits do private users get from a paid VPN?

Secure banking over open Wi-Fi.
Bypass geo-blocked VOD content.
Encrypt traffic against nosy landlords or hotel guests. These use-cases align with jdubowski’s points on geolocation and insecure networks [Elektroda, jdubowski, post #16941007]

Is NordVPN objectively the best choice today?

NordVPN offers >5 500 servers and an audited no-log policy, but so do competitors (e.g., Surfshark). Evaluate based on jurisdiction, independent audits, price, and speed. No single provider is “best” for every scenario [VPNPro, 2023].

Can elite or semi-dedicated proxies replace a VPN?

They hide your IP for specific sites but do not encrypt traffic end-to-end. Anyone between you and the proxy can still read data. IC_Current notes proxies target business automation, not privacy [Elektroda, 16947544]

Will a shaky or slow connection break my VPN?

Yes. VPN tunnels drop on unstable links, exposing your real IP if the client lacks a kill-switch [Elektroda, jdubowski, post #16941007]

How much speed loss should I expect when tunnelling?

Typical overhead is 5–20 % with WireGuard and 15–40 % with OpenVPN due to encryption and routing [Cloudflare, 2022].

Is it safer to bank via mobile app than browser plus VPN?

Often yes. Mobile apps pin certificates, blocking man-in-the-middle attempts even on hostile Wi-Fi [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18912812] A VPN adds another layer but cannot fix a compromised device.

When is self-hosting a VPN better?

If you need full control of logs and routing. Renting a VPS (~PLN 2 000 / year with UTM) lets you run your own concentrator [Elektroda, IC_Current, post #16940884]

How do I set up my own VPN on a VPS?

Deploy a clean Linux instance in a privacy-friendly country.
Install WireGuard (one command script).
Add client keys and enable the firewall. Time: <30 minutes. Follow provider hardening guides for logs and updates.

What edge cases make a VPN a bad idea?

Streaming services ban shared exit IPs—your account may lock.
Repressive regimes detect and punish VPN traffic fingerprints.
Latency-sensitive gaming suffers; added 50–100 ms is common [TechRadar, 2022].

Do cookies remain a privacy risk with VPN enabled?

Yes. Cookies are set by websites, not ISPs. A VPN hides IP, but cookies still track sessions across IP changes [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16940791] Use browser isolation or delete cookies to mitigate.

Can law enforcement deanonymise VPN users?

If the provider keeps logs or is pressured under local laws, yes. Multi-hop or warrant canaries reduce but do not eliminate risk. “The police will have two sources to confirm” identity, notes a user [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16941079]

Which protocol should I choose: OpenVPN, IKEv2, or WireGuard?

WireGuard: fastest and lean codebase (<4 000 lines). OpenVPN: mature, but heavier. IKEv2: stable on mobile. Choose WireGuard unless corporate policy dictates otherwise [WireGuard Whitepaper, 2021].

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