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  • Level 3  
    Hello. Short, concise and to the point. I am green in this topic - 50% - so please be forgiving :) . I'm going to sign a contract with orange to have neostrada internet, no cable, no limits. I was in the salon today, I learned a few necessary things, among others speed 10mb / s. And here are some questions. What does it look like in the laundry? Is it worth it It is no longer about the range, etc. because from what I know is the range for me is ok. I read various comments on other forums such as '' For the first 10 days ok, then lime '' - In the sense that it seems like orange during these 10 days after signing the contract it gives you a cool speed (Apparently we can break the contract without giving a reason for the first 10 days - so I read it as well), then this speed decreases and it is not so colorful. What is the situation with pings in games? Downloading various things from the internet? I don't want to dig in and pay 24 months for something I can't use in peace ... Thank you in advance :) .
  • Level 37  
    Hello,
    I think it's hard to generalize, a lot may depend on your specific location.
    For example, I am happy. I have a 10 Mb / s connection for several years, I did not notice any slowdowns. About a year ago, along with the invoice, I received a letter like "we appreciate that you are our regular customer, blah, blah, blah, we decided (by ourselves) to increase your link speed to 20 Mb / s". In fact, since then the connection has 20 Mb / s.
    ShowmanSpiriT wrote:
    What is the situation with pings in games?

    I do not know, because I do not play, but various tests show: ping about 19 - 22 ms, download 20.3 - 20.8 Mb / s, upload 1.05 - 1.15 Mb / s.
    ShowmanSpiriT wrote:
    Downloading various things from the internet?

    I recently downloaded the KiCad installer (over 700 MB), it took only a few minutes, I didn't even have time to drink my coffee.
    ShowmanSpiriT wrote:
    I read various comments on other forums like '' For the first 10 days ok, then lime '' - In the sense that like the orange during these 10 days after signing the contract gives cool speed (Apparently for the first 10 days we can terminate the contract without giving a reason - yes I also read), then this speed decreases and it is not so colorful.

    In my opinion it may be some urban legend, in my area I have not heard anything about it. In the last few years there were maybe four global failures, nothing worked for several hours, they took place during some downpours, hurricanes and heavy snowfall.
    I would like to ask you in the neighborhood, neighbors, etc., maybe someone has such a connection and has some (good or bad) experiences.
    If you do not need a landline telephone (currently, hardly anyone needs it, for example the Internet is hanging on the line), arrange (annual) suspension of the telephone service, it is probably the cheapest option at the moment, but you must remember to renew it every year.

    greetings
  • Level 28  
    @ShowmanSpiriT You give a little information because the most important will be the distance from home to IP DSLAM, and the age of the cables and how they fly (earth / air). Generally, the farther the Internet speed is from the object, and the weaker the quality of the cabling, the greater will be the attenuation or interference, which will ultimately translate into connection speed.

    Another thing is the speed which is up to 10, in theory it is a speed from 1Mb / s to 10Mb / s. Depending on the factors I wrote about earlier, the machine will set the appropriate link speed, which it will be difficult to say because we have no information. If you have someone using the service in the vicinity, it is worth finding out how it works, although it may be better or worse for you. The next package is the option to 20Mb / s here a little better because you should have a connection in the range of 11 - 20Mb / s, the last offer is up to 80Mb / s (probably you will not be in its range) and a speed range from 21 to 80Mb / s. In my opinion, it's safest to take options up to 20Mb / s so that you don't stay with the 1Mb / s connection later, which basically won't do anything.

    As for playing it depends on how the line is set up, if you are far from the control panel it may not be very comfortable because the upload will be very modest which will generate high pings. If the connection would be around 10Mb / s down and 1Mb / s up there should be no problem.

    As for downloading something from the Internet, write so, until November 20, 2017 I had a link from the net just ADSL2 + on which I had these 15 - 16Mb / s (in real terms) and to use in the sense of browsing, YT, VOD was ok. This download despite that it always flew the maximum speed of the connection could last and last, today games can weigh 50GB and downloading such a GTAV was a challenge for several hours despite the fact that I bought the game and downloaded from the manufacturer.

    For comparison, 1GB file download will take you on the link 5Mbps - 28 Minutes provided that it will always fly at full bandwidth. Then you need almost 23 hours to download 50GB. Is it fast or slow you have to assess yourself and we don't know what parameters your telephone line has.
  • Level 34  
    krzysiek_krm wrote:
    I read various comments on other forums like '' For the first 10 days ok, then lime '' - In the sense that like the orange during these 10 days after signing the contract gives cool speed (Apparently for the first 10 days we can terminate the contract without giving a reason - yes I also read), then this speed decreases and it is not so colorful.

    In my opinion it may be some urban legend

    Because it IS an urban legend.
    Everything breaks down into the DLM mechanism, which stabilizes the link within 10 days of launch. As the link is unstable and there are a lot of bugs it can reduce speed.
    And this is a speed option up to 10Mb. As with any supplier.
    Orange a year ago? without the knowledge of customers, he increased the speed of connections, which were contracted to 10Mb per option to 20Mb. On those of course it was possible. Very few people have noticed this.
    It's such a raisin on a broken cake :)
  • Level 28  
    Jawi_P wrote:
    Everything breaks down into the DLM mechanism, which stabilizes the link within 10 days of launch. As the link is unstable and there are a lot of bugs it can reduce speed.

    That's right, but if in systems they have up to 10Mb / s option it may be different.

    Jawi_P wrote:
    And this is a speed option up to 10Mb. As with any supplier.

    Believe me, there are suppliers who give specific links without a "to" note or minimum bit rate. While there are few such suppliers for the individual customer, the case looks completely different for companies. For example, I have a 50Mbps connection in the contract and I always have the 50Mbps minimum, I don't pay coconuts for it, because I pay the whole PLN 39 / month.

    Jawi_P wrote:
    Orange a year ago? without the knowledge of customers, he increased the speed of connections, which were contracted to 10Mb per option to 20Mb. On those of course it was possible. Very few people have noticed this.
    It's such a raisin on a broken cake :)

    Look at it from a different angle, the company has cables, has devices, has connections that it needs to maintain. In some places where there is no competition yet, they have a few clients, except that they know perfectly well that no one will decide to extend the contract for another 2 years since in principle none of this will have a price increase also is not an option because cheap is not . For them it was a few clicks in the system thanks to which they did not lose anything, although they can always keep the customer longer and a penny falls. Copper network times have come to an end, the number of customers is decreasing practically from quarter to quarter. I will not be surprised if in a few months they start to turn it off and terminate contracts with customers where it no longer makes sense.

    I will write one more thing in the neti I paid for 16Mb / s 59.90 PLN / month, at the moment for the amount of 59 PLN / month I can have a 200Mb / s down link and 40Mb / s up. Of course, download speed is not everything, and netia itself had a really good quality service that is hard for competitors.
  • Level 34  
    seb235 wrote:
    Believe me, there are suppliers who give specific links without a "to" note or minimum bit rate. While there are few such suppliers for the individual customer, the case looks completely different for companies. For example, I have a 50Mbps connection in the contract and I always have the 50Mbps minimum, I don't pay coconuts for it, because I pay the whole PLN 39 / month.


    The thread concerns an individual customer and there is no point confusing the case with business contracts with guaranteed bandwidth, SLA etc.
    Because I have not heard of a speed guarantee for an individual customer, which does not mean that this is not the case.
    seb235 wrote:
    Look at it from a different angle, the company has cables, has devices, has connections that it needs to maintain. In some places where there is no competition yet, they have a few clients, except that they know perfectly well that no one will decide to extend the contract for another 2 years since in principle none of this will have a price increase also is not an option because cheap is not . For them it was a few clicks in the system thanks to which they did not lose anything, although they can always keep the customer longer and a penny falls. Copper network times have come to an end, the number of customers is decreasing practically from quarter to quarter. I will not be surprised if in a few months they start to turn it off and terminate contracts with customers where it no longer makes sense.

    Unfortunately, the large operator does not look at a single customer or village in the Bieszczady Mountains and bases its business policy on a mass customer. If he makes exceptions, it means that someone lives there worthwhile, or for other reasons the "image" company depends. Free market. Competition has the opportunity to prove itself and invest.
    And when it comes to copper infrastructure there are plans to reduce it to the limit. If the cost of maintaining the infrastructure approaches the revenues from this, it is high time to make a decision: modernization or decommissioning?
  • Level 28  
    Jawi_P wrote:
    The thread concerns an individual customer and there is no point confusing the matter with business contracts with guaranteed bandwidth, SLA etc. Because I have not heard of the speed guarantee for an individual customer, which does not mean that this is not the case.

    I write from the perspective of an individual customer, and I do not have a "To" link.

    Jawi_P wrote:
    Unfortunately, the large operator does not look at a single customer or village in the Bieszczady Mountains and bases its business policy on a mass customer. If he makes exceptions, it means that someone lives there worthwhile, or for other reasons the "image" company depends. Free market. Competition has the opportunity to prove itself and invest.

    It is simply not profitable to maintain infrastructure for a few clients, and by making a concession you can keep running several months more.

    Jawi_P wrote:
    And when it comes to copper infrastructure there are plans to reduce it to the limit. If the cost of maintaining the infrastructure approaches the revenues from this, it is high time to make a decision: modernization or decommissioning?

    Only you know what the problem is? There is nothing to modernize.
    See VDSL2, the technology is already years old, and the service coverage to this day is negligible. The problem was that mounting VDSL2 on lines longer than 1KM did not make sense. Polish telecoms did nothing about it, those clients who somehow got connected, although all the modernization concerned only the exchange of the card in DSLAM. Today, the modernization of the network to VDSL2 simply no longer makes sense because it will be hard for a customer at 50Mb / s since 1Gb / s connections are already sold. The network can be upgraded to the G. Fast standard, where very nice speeds can be obtained after copper, although G. Fast makes sense for lines up to 300m, at a distance of 500m from the control panel the speed drops to 100Mbps (theoretically). In my opinion, nobody will do it because the quality of the cabling will in no way meet the requirements of technology and the throughput will drop a lot from the start.
    The modernization of the network to the FTTH standard will probably take place, however, in areas with high population density. Single-family housing estates or smaller towns are unlikely to count on. Which would rather confirm the current development of Orange, Netia or UPC. There are times when a man will be sentenced to LTE and in the future 5G.
  • Network and Internet Specialist
    Neostrada's operation depends on many factors.
    From the control panel (DSLAM), from the length and quality of the cabling.
    You can't rate it as very good or bad, because it's different in every place.
    Theoretically, you can ask someone next door, it would be good to know the line parameters, attenuation, SNR margin, etc.
    Find out if you can install and test the service 10-14 days.
    It should work the same way all the time, we will also know the parameters of the line.
  • Level 3  
    seb235 wrote:
    @ShowmanSpiriT You give a little information because the most important will be the distance from home to IP DSLAM, and the age of the cables and how they fly (earth / air). Generally, the farther the Internet speed is from the object, and the weaker the quality of the cabling, the greater will be the attenuation or interference, which will ultimately translate into connection speed.

    Another thing is the speed which is up to 10, in theory it is a speed from 1Mb / s to 10Mb / s. Depending on the factors I wrote about earlier, the machine will set the appropriate link speed, which it will be difficult to say because we have no information. If you have someone using the service in the vicinity, it is worth finding out how it works, although it may be better or worse for you. The next package is the option to 20Mb / s here a little better because you should have a connection in the range of 11 - 20Mb / s, the last offer is up to 80Mb / s (probably you will not be in its range) and a speed range from 21 to 80Mb / s. In my opinion, it's safest to take options up to 20Mb / s so that you don't stay with the 1Mb / s connection later, which basically won't do anything.

    As for playing it depends on how the line is set up, if you are far from the control panel it may not be very comfortable because the upload will be very modest which will generate high pings. If the connection would be around 10Mb / s down and 1Mb / s up there should be no problem.

    As for downloading something from the Internet, write so, until November 20, 2017 I had a link from the net just ADSL2 + on which I had these 15 - 16Mb / s (in real terms) and to use in the sense of browsing, YT, VOD was ok. This download despite that it always flew the maximum speed of the connection could last and last, today games can weigh 50GB and downloading such a GTAV was a challenge for several hours despite the fact that I bought the game and downloaded from the manufacturer.

    For comparison, 1GB file download will take you on the link 5Mbps - 28 Minutes provided that it will always fly at full bandwidth. Then you need almost 23 hours to download 50GB. Is it fast or slow you have to assess yourself and we don't know what parameters your telephone line has.


    As for this IP DSLAM I do not know the distance, there is no current list of headquarters also lime. The age of the cables, hmm .. Once a sister had a neostrada here but it was like the neostrada belonged to TP so well they probably have these cables for 10 years, they fly underground. I have just checked the coverage on the map on the website in orange, I am within 20mbps.

    Edit. And this option DO DO 10mb / s, just .. can I have a speed of 1mb / s and I will not do anything about it .. What is the difference between signing a contract in the salon and ordering online? On the internet I have options up to 20mb / s for 80, 08 PLN and in the salon they give me an offer up to 10mb / s for 79.99 PLN + 19.99 for free calls / sms / 5gb internet on the phone and the sim card is as a link maintenance, or something like that .. Even without it PLN 19.99 it goes out in the living room PLN 80 for speed up to 10mb / s and goes out over the internet PLN 80 for speed up to 20mb / s..