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Need Advice: Building Effective Bluetooth Signal Jammer/Noise Generator for 15m Radius

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  • #1 17233479
    gold-game
    Level 21  
    Hello colleagues. I need advice on the bluetootch jammer / noise generator. The problem is the quite large bluetootch speaker playing too loud at different times, you can only guess more. I would like to assemble some effective bluetootch signal noise generator that would be effective within a radius of 15m. I am asking for help in building something like this. I've seen all ... such noise generators `` all in one '' but the price is a bit prohibitive, and GSM is not really needed here. Thanks in advance for your help.
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  • #2 17233970
    Artur k.
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Why do you think these devices cost so much? ;)

    Bluetooth is the 2.4GHz band, which is the same as WiFi - look under this password, maybe you will find something dedicated only to this purpose and it will be cheaper (which I doubt).
  • #3 17234000
    gold-game
    Level 21  
    If there is no way out, I'll buy it. I'm an electronics engineer so I thought about building this. I'll look for something else on the web.
  • #4 17234716
    Artur k.
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    You know, the problem with these systems is that they are microwaves. You need a lot of experience in this field to build such devices that work properly "from the hoof". Even the laminate used is relevant at these frequencies. You may find that it works on one laminate and not on another. :)
    The typical, most common FR4 laminate is not very suitable for such frequencies, here you would rather need a ceramic laminate, which is practically unavailable to hobbyists.
    Read about the different parameters, e.g. here:
    https://elektronikab2b.pl/technika/24727-wply...sc-i-dzialanie-obwodow-drukowani#.WwQkPmcwjDA

    It would be necessary to assemble such a jammer from commonly available modules, but it is difficult to say how it will work. Ready modules work rather on specific channels and with a predetermined power, and receive a specific type of signal as input. You would have to find a module that would fully analog input noise and broadcast it at full bandwidth. I don't know if they exist.
    If you have time, money and willingness to experiment, then of course the way is clear.
    However, I believe that this is a fun activity for a hobbyist who will do it nice, and if not the other will be cool. Where there is a real problem and a specific solution is needed, there is no time for experimentation. :)
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  • #5 17234789
    gold-game
    Level 21  
    I understand what the matter is. You just have to buy something like that to fulfill its role. I heard somewhere that a microwave magnetron produces a lot of noise at 2.4 GHz. I know that playing with a working magnetron can end in blindness of the experimenter. I'm not going to go that way, but that's how I bring up the topic out of curiosity for opinion.
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  • #6 17234861
    Artur k.
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    The magnetron does, it sows at about 2.4GHz, but you will cook from the inside everything that stands on the path of the magnetron wave. So you will not only lose your eyesight.
  • #7 17235926
    gold-game
    Level 21  
    So it is known that from such a thing as far as possible. Coming back to the noise generator itself, it seemed to me that the matter of building something like this could be simpler than building a transmitter / receiver for this frequency. Selectivity is not important in this case, it is to "spoil the ether" and have some power.
  • #8 17236172
    jarek_lnx
    Level 43  
    It is worth considering the principle of BT operation, e.g. that it uses AFH and changes the frequency 800x per second.
  • #9 17236189
    gold-game
    Level 21  
    jarek_lnx wrote:
    It is worth considering the principle of BT operation, e.g. that it uses AFH and changes the frequency 800x per second.
    I don't quite understand what it is. The point is, at some point, BT uses lower frequencies for communication?
  • #10 17236214
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #11 17236543
    jarek_lnx
    Level 43  
    gold-game wrote:
    I don't quite understand what it is. The point is, at some point, BT uses lower frequencies for communication?
    No, AFH means that BT constantly switches channels avoiding those with high noise levels and you would have to take this into account when planning the jamming method. BT occupies the 2.4-2.4835GHz band divided into 79 channels. For example, if you were to use some integrated PLL on 2.4GHz, you would have to change the frequency frequently enough to make most of the channels unusable, in less time than it takes BT devices to bypass disturbed channels.
  • #12 17236600
    gold-game
    Level 21  
    I also recently heard a hint to do something like this on a serial bluetootch module with an attached directional antenna and force rotation of the broadcasting channels on this device. All in all, the idea is rather good, but the power of my bluetootch transmitting device would be the key here.
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  • #13 17236717
    Artur k.
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    jarek_lnx wrote:
    It is worth considering the principle of BT operation, e.g. that it uses AFH and changes the frequency 800x per second.

    This is why an "analog" wideband noise generator is the best solution. Unfortunately, this cannot be done on public and cheap BT or WiFi modules.

    Pong.Chu wrote:
    I once made a microwave synthesizer operating at 4.85 GHz on a regular FR-4 laminate and everything worked as it should, if you do not need very high parameters it will work.

    One chip will work, another won't, and it will be difficult to figure out why it isn't working. Therefore, it should be generally assumed that such solutions should rather be avoided.
  • #14 17236724
    kortyleski
    Level 43  
    It is easier to talk to the owner of the loudspeaker or cause him to talk to the appropriate services. Anyway, whether it is bt or not, there is an analog signal somewhere in the device. This one is easier to disrupt. You can also put up a similar loudspeaker and play other music, e.g. Chopin's funeral margin. Works, I checked once.
  • #15 17237165
    pikarel
    Level 38  
    An exaggerated copy of a person's behavior in the presence of this person - is more effective than all other actions (such a satire-turbo).
    This is what Col. @ kortyleski wrote about; funeral march :) ).

    The jammer is used for safety, not against the goofy behavior of others.
  • #16 17237225
    gold-game
    Level 21  
    Following this logic, together with other friendly neighbors, we wanted to join the event without being invited and thus make them quite embarrassed. Unfortunately, I cannot hide my emotions so well and sometimes more than one rail could fly from the fence :)

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around building an effective Bluetooth signal jammer or noise generator to disrupt a loud Bluetooth speaker within a 15m radius. Participants highlight the challenges of creating such devices due to the complexities of microwave frequencies, particularly in the 2.4GHz band shared with WiFi. Suggestions include using wideband noise generators, but concerns are raised about the feasibility of using common electronic components. The conversation also touches on the use of microwave magnetrons, which are dangerous and impractical for this purpose. Alternatives such as negotiating with the speaker's owner or using counter-music strategies are proposed. The importance of understanding Bluetooth's Adaptive Frequency Hopping (AFH) is emphasized, as it complicates jamming efforts.
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