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Creating a Private Fiber/LAN Network: Become a Local ISP, Manage User Access & Control Traffic

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  • #1 17258883
    mati_haker
    Level 8  
    Hello, for several days I have been thinking about building a private optical fiber that will run through my village. Then I would like to share the Internet with others for a fee, in short, become a local Internet provider. Now I have a question, how to create accounts so that a given user logs in to the system with a login and password. How do I control all traffic? Transfers maximum download, upload. From the technical side, there is no problem, the network will rely on one fiber, where it will be divided using CWDM technology, and then the given cable will be distributed to a given area. It only needs a specialist who knows the software side
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    #2 17258906
    sewek1000
    Level 15  
    From what I remember when I worked in the local fiber optic network, the light goes to the switchboard in the switchboard, you need to have the entire fiber optic network management system that assigns PPoe customers and a password that allows you to set the bandwidth and then Managed Fiber Optic Switches and assign Ip to PPOE and that's it theoretical, I do not know if you do not need to have a company for it, permits, land development, etc., a surveyor is surely not that simple, so every village should walk on fiber optics.
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  • #3 17258916
    seb235
    Level 28  
    The idea may be nice, but remember that here you need your own business, registration in UKE, permits for laying optical fibers, payment for poles / sewage, plus a connection fee from the wholesale supplier at the beginning all costs of cabling equipment, etc.

    The last question is how many people will be interested in your offer and how many will flee to the former ISP after the first 2 years. Unfortunately, see the forums, but people who are fed up with local ISPs and after 2 years of torment with fiber optics (for one reason or another) run to ADSL from netia or Orange. I personally plan such an escape for the 2nd time.

    Remember that there will be a lot of initial declarations, and when it comes to it, it turns out that you will not even earn to pay the monthly costs of your connection. Another thing is your knowledge and experience in the subject, and breakdowns are something customers do not like.
  • #4 17259203
    max-bit
    Level 33  
    I honestly see that the boy has an idea, but that's about it.
    He has no idea about the rest.
    He is worried about management, the only question is whether he knows what to have to start such an activity?

    Specialist network devices are used to manage such a network, unfortunately the cost of such devices is in the thick of PLN.
    Of course, you could do something like this on some linux (read programmatically) but for a small network, it is more than a dozen or so users.

    In fact, recently, thanks to EU funding, many local companies have been created that create something there and in fact many of these companies quite quickly go bankrupt.
    And when the boy came up with CWDM and one optical fiber :) and after the problem :)

    People can combine it so simply, I will buy the Internet from some provider, e.g. 100Mbps for a few hundred I will divide it into 50 and the cash will flow in a stream.
    Such ideas may have been good 20 years ago, 15 years ago since today ...
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  • #5 17259288
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist
    sewek1000 wrote:
    when I worked in the local fiber optic network, it goes to the switchboard in the central office, you need to have the whole fiber optic network management system that assigns PPoe clients and a password that allows you to set the bandwidth and then manageable fiber optic switches and assign Ip to PPOE and that's theoretical,

    And how will you end the "light" on the other side?
    You have to give the customer some terminal equipment (costs).

    Another issue is before you dig the proverbial shovel into the ground, first you have to go to court, find out who each 1m2 of land in which you want to dig belongs to, then obtain judicial consent from owners, heirs and God knows who else to dig (for each case and you have to pay the consent, pay the lease or pay off the heirs in cash) - all this may take several years (it is known how legal and inheritance issues are dealt with in the countryside and you have to look for heirs).

    Then, buy a link from the main tenderer - and it will be thousands of PLN per month.
    Service, service, all formal approvals, approvals from the commune / city ... - next cash register.

    In my opinion, you have the formalities for FEW YEARS, and it will ALREADY "eat" money without any return or depreciation, then investment (again cash register), connection (cash register), do everything yourself - I assume a minimum time of 5 years and expenses PLN 100,000 at the beginning.
    And when the investment is "launched", the calendar will actually be 2025, and you will be financially negative with PLN 250,000 and ZERO income, and your network will have 20 people, because in the meantime the rest of the declared ones will go to LTE (which is also expanding and it will overtake your optical fiber).

    I don't want to scare anyone here, but as everyone says, it looks beautiful when you have an IDEA, then the reality of execution and you start to wonder "what was it for?"
    Alone, without BIG money, it is not even dreaming to start.
    And if you are really alone and you do not care about time - start, only do you have PLN 500,000 for such "pouring water".

    An example for me - they are building a rail and road viaduct (and this required digging in the ground) - now everything is standing for 4 months, because what the excavator digs out, what on the maps does not agree with what is in the ground, you need to look for the owners of everything, apply real changes to the maps AGAIN, or even translate what is already there, otherwise it is impossible - they hardly moved on the spot and this crossing will be more expensive by PLN 200,000 from this mess.
  • #6 17259298
    max-bit
    Level 33  
    You see the problem that a colleague thinks he will buy a few PLN for a few zlotys a little fiber under the suspension of the rope.
    And for him the main problem is whether the computer bought for a few hundred is enough :)
    Questions like "create accounts" and how to share are just telling.
    I think:
    Link
    He will pour out a cup of water ....
    I will not show the prices of examples of active devices.
    because these start at xx kPLN.
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  • #7 17259301
    internick
    Level 36  
    I had that idea too. However, my friends from Trzepak poured a bucket of cold water over my head. I would like to thank them for that, because I could have a loan of a million and an unprofitable investment.
    If you have the balls, go ahead. I ran out of courage.
    First of all, how can you be sure that someone will take it from you? I'm already answering you - none. Walk around the people and it turns out that, for example, with LTE I'm fine.
    Follow pages:
    https://cppc.gov.pl/
    https://sieciszerokopasmowe.com/
    http://www.telko.in/
    https://trzepak.pl/
    And educate yourself, because I feel something that you are walking with a hoe at the moon.
  • #8 17259599
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist
    I still remember a few things:
    mati_haker wrote:
    I am thinking of building a private optical fiber that will run through my village

    And you wondered who will offer you an operator link at the appropriate level, safety, performance and service for you in this village for resale?
    After all, all the equipment for the further distribution of this internet also needs to be placed somewhere, powered, ventilated, serviced, looked after, to have a UPS that will support the line power during a power failure, maybe even a power generator - a building (construction or rent), electricity (meter or building your own connection), costs of service and spare parts, inspections - it all costs money.
    And my colleague wants to invest thousands of zlotys for the Internet in one village, where there will be even 100 people, but people will not give more than 50 zlotys (because you will not sell a more expensive offer)?
    You would have to add a TV or a phon to it - only in the village there is a SAT antenna on every house and a mobile phone no limit full phone for PLN 30 is available today.
    A minimum of PLN 100,000 is needed to set up, operate and supply a stationary store for a good day - that's how much you've spent and you don't have any printed receipt or invoice yet!
    If I had to personally spend PLN 250-500 thousand on it and not be sure of the return - it would be better to pay for a 12-month deposit, even for the staggered 1% annually - because you will have only interest on it between PLN 3 and 5 thousand A YEAR, and now multiply it by e.g. 5 years! and you still have a quarter / square of the bubble to withdraw from the bank at any time.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of establishing a private fiber optic network to provide internet services in a village. Key considerations include the need for a comprehensive fiber optic network management system, such as PPPoE for user account management and bandwidth control. Participants highlight the significant legal and financial hurdles, including obtaining permits, land access, and the costs associated with network equipment and infrastructure. Concerns are raised about the sustainability of such a venture, given the potential for low customer retention and competition from established ISPs. The importance of technical expertise and the high costs of specialized network devices are emphasized, alongside the necessity of reliable service and maintenance.
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