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Hot-Burning Solenoid Valve Coil on Additional Gas Cylinder: Solutions & Precautions

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  • #1 17299701
    poStaremu
    Level 9  
    Hey. I connected an additional cylinder to the gas installation using tees and elbows.
    There were no problems with refueling, both of them were full.
    I connected the coil of the new cylinder in parallel with the coil of the old one BUT there were no + and - markings on the new one. The coil was hot, even burning (oddly enough, not always).
    When the gas in the "original" cylinder ran out, the solenoid valve from the new one did not open and the car switched to petrol. At the moment, the coil is not heating up, it may have burned out. I have a few ideas:
    -change the poles, plus and minus, check that the solenoid valve opens
    -replace the coil and do nothing
    -change coil and change poles immediately
    I don't have any more ideas, the problem is rather not complicated, but I would rather not burn another coil.
    Best regards.
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  • #2 17299737
    Adamcall
    Level 17  
    Buddy, the plunger of the solenoid valve is stuck and therefore the coil heats up, it is probably damaged, replace the plunger and the coil should be ok. Regards ADAM.
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  • #3 17299879
    psooya
    Level 38  
    The coil is damaged, there are no poles, the piston does not affect the heating - crap.
    Check if it has power, coil current is about 1A, power is about 10-15W
  • #4 17299988
    poStaremu
    Level 9  
    Ok, I'm ordering a coil, I'll let you know how things are going.
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  • #5 17303338
    poStaremu
    Level 9  
    The new coil has arrived, after putting it on, the effect is the same, it gets hot! I will try to replace the plus with the minus because nothing else comes to my mind that could be the cause of this state of affairs ...
  • #6 17303363
    psooya
    Level 38  
    Well, it's supposed to be warm :-D can you read 10 to 15 watts? Take a 15W bulb and what? Will it be cold?
  • #7 17303411
    poStaremu
    Level 9  
    These are two questions, why does the coil in the first cylinder not heat up and why does the coil that heats up not open the solenoid valve?
  • #8 17303477
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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    #9 17303514
    kwok
    Level 40  
    New coil means working, if it is marked + - then polarity should be checked and properly connected. If it still doesn't work, unscrew the valve and see what's inside. If the coil does not pull the core, it has the right to heat up, or so hard, it's hard to say, but since the valve does not open, you have to unscrew it anyway.
  • #10 17303540
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    DC coil
    kwok wrote:
    The coil, if it does not pull the core, has the right to heat up,


    Another one will write such stupidity and warnings from top to bottom are sprinkled.
    This is a technical forum.
    The DC coil current is not influenced by the magnetic core.

    It's just that the coil that heats up is different. Than the other one.
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  • #11 17303564
    poStaremu
    Level 9  
    Stream consciousness ... I understand what you wrote but I still have no idea what could be the reason why the solenoid valve does not open.

    Disassemble the valve and look at the core as the hen did? With this treatment, all the gas from the cylinder will escape, all PLN 80 :cry:
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    #12 17303650
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    And you hear the plunger ticking at all? Give pictures of both solenoid valves.
    Measure the voltage on both at the same time.
  • #13 17303687
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #14 17303697
    poStaremu
    Level 9  
    The stream of consciousness surprised me with the simplicity of the question, I know how the solenoid works, but I did not know that the impact of the core is so clear. While the engine is running on gas, I take off the attached coil, put it on again and it is! No doubt the solenoid valve opens! The old coil turned out to be working! The voltage that comes to it to satisfy my curiosity is 12.8 VDC ..

    Where then to look for the cause? The wires are connected correctly, there is no doubt about that.
    Hot-Burning Solenoid Valve Coil on Additional Gas Cylinder: Solutions & Precautions Hot-Burning Solenoid Valve Coil on Additional Gas Cylinder: Solutions & Precautions


    For a better understanding of blurred photos, I will write, the cylinder lies on the cylinder, they are connected with each other with pins. In the photo on the left, the red coil is the one I suspected was out of order.
  • #15 17303704
    psooya
    Level 38  
    Provide each separate power supply and listen to the valve. The cold one is probably not opening :-D because he got high. 1A of current for each coil.
    15W must heat up, if someone does not understand it, he must change his hobby or profession.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    These coils don't have faders, so no + and - !!
  • #16 17303710
    poStaremu
    Level 9  
    I consider the topic of the hot coil closed, the more I do not understand why you come back to it.
    The facts are that both solenoid valves open, the one in photo 2 is the case because the car works on gas, and the one in the first photo, as I wrote above ...
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    #17 17303722
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #18 17303735
    poStaremu
    Level 9  
    Art B, thanks for this remark, it was neither twisted nor unscrewed, I unscrewed as much as possible. I did not even take it into account because the cylinder was used in another car not so long ago and this valve was not touched by anyone. In some 350km (i.e. soon) I will let you know if that was the reason.
  • #19 17304039
    przemek25l
    Level 29  
    And I will answer your question.
    It warms up and it will keep warm. The solution is a simple switch between the tanks. During the flow of gas, the valve housing is cooled as well as the coil. If no gas flows through it, it overheats.
  • #20 17313387
    poStaremu
    Level 9  
    Artur.B was right, the reason was that the manual valve was not fully open, a trivial matter, but it caused some trouble, thanks very much.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around issues encountered with a hot-burning solenoid valve coil after connecting an additional gas cylinder to an existing installation. The user initially faced problems with the new coil heating up excessively and failing to open the solenoid valve when the original cylinder ran out of gas. Various suggestions were made, including checking the polarity of the coil, replacing the coil, and inspecting the solenoid valve for a stuck plunger. After replacing the coil, the heating issue persisted, leading to further troubleshooting. Ultimately, it was discovered that a manual shut-off valve was not fully open, which was the root cause of the problem. The user confirmed that resolving this trivial issue allowed the system to function correctly.
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