Hello, The CPU supports a maximum of 2 GB of RAM (I know it's DDR-II). It has inputs/outputs: SATA (don't ask about the type) and IDE-ATA. It has 2 hard drives with a capacity of 120 GB each - one SATA, the other IDE-ATA. WinXP system. Blue screen appears more and more often. (reboot). A friend advises me to buy an SSD for the Win7 system 120 GB or possibly a larger 240 GB for the system and data. The main question: Does it make sense? Can I buy a DELL with an HDD 320 and install Win7 on it with 3 GB of RAM? In any case, the available amount is about PLN 260-300. Thanks in advance.
SSDs are very fast and I wouldn't want to work on a regular disk drive anymore. Only XP, as far as I know, does not support TRIM, i.e. your SSD will be damaged quickly, while Win7 should have these 4GB of ram.
Can you tell me what exactly you have in this computer? It's hard to give advice without specifics.
I'll see what's on the plate in a day. She determines everything. Me, if I were to buy this disk, it would only be for Win7. In my "equipment" I have 2 HDDs with two systems (you can switch by F12). It is a non-overloading antivirus. The problem is screaming and unsupported videos on the browser (except Youtube - these open). And those famous "holes" and "patches" XP. I still have a "variation" of XP, some corporate Mx8.1 or something similar. But it runs like XP. There's not much to think about here. At the neighbor's work, there were liquidated DELL 3GB RAM, 320 GB HDD for PLN 180. Plus, probably about PLN 50 for Win7. But my friend turned my head with this SSD. Hence the question. Regards.
Question one, why do you only want Win-7 if it's no longer supported by Microsoft? why don't you want win 10 which is faster and works faster with SSD drives !!! There were promotional campaigns for win 10 updates for pennies
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Please stay on topic. The topic is not about choosing between Win 7 and Win 10. Not everyone has to like the new Microsoft system and not everyone has to want to migrate to it. Not everyone who currently has a license for Win 7 will want to buy a license for Win 10. Anyway - it has nothing to do with the topic.
I don't like Win10 at all. Quite. I can't use it. I do not glow with the keynote of the programmers of this system. And with 2 GB of RAM, I won't bother with it. I, with the rest, lag behind operating systems due to second-hand (technically used) equipment. If it doesn't make sense Win7 then I'll stick with XP - as long as it works. And in case - reinstallation or lifting from the Ghost (ISO) photo. Local partition from disc. It worked once. No components, many things will not work - but it's better than nothing.
Blue screen appears more and more often. (reboot).
Only then can you consider upgrading your current set. After all, it may turn out that changing the disk will not improve the comfort of work in any way, because the problem will not be the speed of data access, but the lack of stability generated by another damaged element of the set.
Hello, Following these tips - if I booted from the IDE-ATA disk (slave) and this screen would not appear for a long time, would it be evidence of some errors on the part of the operating system? This screen, if anything, appears to me when I turn on the computer or close the Opera browser, where many tabs are open at once. All in all, it's a bit longer (about 1-2 minutes) start from the ATA disk - but for my needs it doesn't matter. I will also check the scandisk disk and try to remove the temporary files and defragment it. Prayer to Methuselah. Does it make sense if the hardware is correct? I added 3 photos from the CD, I don't know if that will explain anything. [img-0] [img-2]
First of all, cleaning the CPU cooling, I shoot that the GPU too. And the board marking is obscured by this little black box next to the RAM, it starts with GA.
with a vacuum cleaner NEVER do not clean the computer. Get a stiffer brush. Under the layer of dust and fan blades there are screws (one can be seen in the picture), after unscrewing the part of the cooling system (radiator with fan) can be removed. Before a colleague will want to remove the cooling, you should get a thermal paste, because it also needs to be replaced during this operation, and the current one is certainly not suitable for reassembling the cooling.
Regarding the vacuuming - sure. Essential Question: Will this motherboard with 2GB RAM and SSD support Win7. What SATA does this board have? Is any additional hardware needed to connect such a drive to this board?? Does it make sense to buy an SSD for this board, or to collect money for "new" - second-hand equipment with, for example, 4 GB of RAM and a disk of 320-500 GB??
Essential Question: Will this motherboard with 2GB RAM and SSD support Win7.
The board with the SSD will support Win7, but the comfort of work will still be average. The fact that you should be able to load everything faster, but the limitation will be the RAM. According to the specification of this board, you can insert MAX memory 2 GB per slot, which is 8 GB RAM in total. You can find stimulants for pennies on OLX.
dantoma wrote:
What SATA does this board have? Is any additional hardware needed to connect such a drive to this board??
The board has 4 x SATA. If the power supply is not very archaic and has SATA(F) power, then you don't need to buy anything. If it has only MOLEXes, then such an adapter (PLN 5 in RTV / household appliances):
dantoma wrote:
Does it make sense to buy an SSD for this board, or to collect money for "new" - second-hand equipment with, for example, 4 GB of RAM and a disk of 320-500 GB??
Depends on how much you want to spend on such equipment and how much your current one is enough.
The board will not support more than 2GB of RAM. I bought 2x512 additionally and nothing - the computer does not move at all. That's the problem. Because in WinXP you can declare virtual (disk) memory - so in the case of a faster SSD, disk memory would also be faster. Or so it seems to me. And it seems to work on Win7 as well. In general, I have the blue screen most often when I close the browser with many tabs open and how the computer initializes - i.e. large disk operations. Hence this concept with SSD. Maybe I'll wait a little longer and buy a 240GB SSD. I would have a typical HDD only for the archive.
If the SSD was faster, then the storage would be faster too
Due to sata limitations (I suspect max sata 2 on this board - peak transfer 3 GB/s Gbps ) and the speed of the disk itself will still be much slower than DDR2. Besides, swap file is not main memory. In my opinion, investing in this particular case is pointless - the drive itself will be worth more than the entire set. PS the small black box is the fan speed controller.
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Size matters... even letters. 3GB/s and 3Gb/s are not the same, SATA II achieves theoretically 3Gb/s, and just over 3GB/s can be achieved by NVMe PCI Express 3.0 x4 drives.
Maybe the computer did not start because you bought memory faster than 533 Mhz - because this is the maximum that can be inserted into this board. Sorry, but out of 4 memory banks, I don't believe you can only install 2GB. I had LGA775 and everything worked for me on 8 GB without any problems.
As for the bluescreens - throw us a screen with the SMART disk from the CristalDiskInfo program, stretching the window so that you can see all the parameters.
4 DDR II DIMM memory slots (supports up to 2GB memory) Part of the specification of this board. Unfortunately. Hence my opinion about the sense of investing, among others. Although with 4 slots it actually seems strange, but things like this didn't happen... In addition to reading SMART, memtest would also be useful ...
In any case, the available amount is about PLN 260-300.
However, I would consider a new computer, as my colleague wrote in the first post. It is true that the motherboard has remained a secret until now (of course, my colleague took a photo, but what about the fan speed limiter located on the model information ...).
Taking into account the limitations of this disc, which is probably 10 years old anyway, I would buy a whole post-leasing computer. The amount of PLN 300 should be slightly increased, but you can already get something that makes sense and even minimal expansion possibilities. From myself, I can recommend the Lenovo M81 or M91, of which there are a lot on Allegro, or the M82/M92 (a generation newer, but in this case, if you need to replace the power supply with a more powerful one, you will need an adapter to connect the ATX power supply - it is not some excessively expensive and can be obtained rather easily, so it's not a major drama).
With the lowest budget, these will probably be models with Pentium G6xx/G8xx processors, or the newer Pentium G20xx, I have also seen with Celeron G16xx (performance comparable to the Pentium of the previous generation). You can look a little better with I3-2xxx/3xxx. Even better with I5, sometimes you can hunt down a model with I5-2300/2400/2500 for little money, but here I am rather sure that 300 zlotys is not enough.
Most often, these models are equipped with 4GB of RAM (although different sellers sell them differently), and they are most often sold with a Windows 7 COA, thanks to which you can activate Windows 7 on this computer. The computers are equipped with SATA III (which is useful for hard drives SSD), and the M82/M92 models additionally already have USB 3.0.
Cons - newer AMD Radeon cards don't work with these computers (in M81 I had problems with running Radeon R7/R9 and I think RX460, I didn't check the others, but Nvidia cards I tested models GTX750/750Ti/950/1050/1050Ti and they worked OKAY).
An old mobo that maxes out Pentium D. Inefficient heaters (in fact two Pentium 4s glued together).
If it at least supported C2D, you could invest some small money in it. So it's better to buy another set right away.
What power supply is in this current computer? If it is "as far as" then you could stop at replacing the motherboard, processor and ram. On the H61 (LGA1155) you can find deals on the board + processor for ~ PLN 150.
Just like the previous speakers, I think that it is not worth investing money in this equipment, but you can invest your knowledge in this computer and learn something at the same time. Buying additional/spare parts in the store, and even used ones at the bazaar, in my opinion is not profitable and risky. Therefore, apart from profitability, I sense a great desire to repair the computer. The first option is to fix it for pennies at most. I omit labor costs, because I assume that the author will fix it himself, or he has an IT friend who will do it for free, or for a symbolic zloty. A lot of time is needed for testing, because it is an old, relatively inefficient model. Blue screens suggest to me, above all, to check the surface of the disk with some decent program. I suspect that there are "holes" in the disk. bad sectors. Some still save such drives, but the end of their lives is fast approaching. And in this case, any working disk with sufficient capacity would be necessary. Of course, buying an SSD is the best solution, but not cheap. If the disk is OK, then I would check the capacitors on the board and the power supply itself. Convex capacitors indicate the need to replace them, the operation is relatively easy for electronics, and not very expensive for the owner (a few years ago I paid PLN 40). I have bad experience with the power supply, however, when it comes to repair. I haven't met such specialists in repairing such boxes yet and I bought a new one each time, and this is an expensive computer component. Anyway, I bet 99% that a leaky disk is the cause of blue screens. Another issue is further, "cheap" modernization of the computer. You can add RAM up to a maximum of 2GB. specs, but I read that someone put 4GB in this board and the BIOS saw enough. You would just have to check it tangibly. However, I warn against buying one memory stick. For this board, you need to buy a pair of memory chips to work in Dual Channel mode, otherwise you will lose double the memory speed. However, if 2GB is the maximum that the motherboard's BIOS would see, then it will be difficult with WIn7 on board, and WinXP has long been unsupported, meaning it can be easily infected with something and only work offline, without the Internet, would be an option. In addition, it is absolutely necessary to vacuum and blow it ALL, I would not necessarily see the removal of the heatsink from the processor. A vacuum cleaner and compressed air would do the trick. I would remove the speed regulator that was resting on the board somewhere. The fans will probably be louder, but they will also cool the inside of the case better.
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pawelr98 wrote:
These mobos are GA-8I945PL-G.
If it at least supported C2D, you could invest some small money in it. So it's better to buy another set right away. .
Only XP, as far as I know, does not support TRIM, i.e. your SSD will be damaged quickly,
TRIM only in win7, Vista does not have trim. Without TRIM, nothing will be damaged, only slower writes to the disk, my friend has had an SSD under Vista for several years, nothing was damaged, but it's still worth it, the computer definitely speeds up on SSD, even vista / xp.
Can a colleague indicate where this board supports C2D?
Because I see N/A with every processor in this series, i.e. no support.
If it supported C2D, it's a simple matter. PLN 5 for E2180 and we have quite a lively computer. So there's nothing to do but replace the whole thing. For the money that the author wants to spend, you can easily buy or assemble a quite modern computer.
You can upload Win7, but with bottom Pentium 4/D processors, it doesn't make any sense because the system itself will take up a large part of the already limited hardware resources.
In any case, the available amount is about PLN 260-300.
Mother-in-law had some Pentium D for net, not upgradable to C2D, the computer started up in a few minutes. A week ago I bought a computer for the net for 500 PLN, for algro Dell SFF, Core i5-2400, RAM 4 GB, 250 HDD, Win 10, It runs like a little hare in the spring, the only drawback is the lack of usb3 I am definitely happy, for this money there is nothing to complain about, If you need usb3, you can put it on a PCIe card
I don't know if colleagues have noticed the author's lack of interest for some time. Also, the discussion is starting to spin in circles... Regarding my earlier comment with the moderator's correction: yes, size matters, unfortunately I write most of the entries from my phone in a few spare moments, and autocorrect is unpredictable sometimes... Thanks for the correction.
Can a colleague indicate where this board supports C2D?
Because I see N/A with every processor in this series, i.e. no support.
You're right buddy. I made the mistake of not reading that last column. Gigabyte's presentation of the entire list of all possible processors, starting with the unsupported ones, is a slight exaggeration for me, it is simply misleading and I fell for it.
Hello after a long break - I was not at home (independent factors). As for the bluescreen, I deleted a lot of temporary files (a lot for the current removal by Opera) - why it wasn't deleted - I don't know. After a good few hours of chkdsk. I haven't seen messages about bad sectors. I did defragmentation from under the system (several times). There were no disturbing messages. From the computer itself - I close tabs one at a time, not the entire browser at once (most blue screens were when closing the browser with many open tabs). It's better. I tried to put two 512 Mb DDR II memory cards into the slots. The computer does not initialize with 4 memory cards. Either 2x512 or 2x1024. Of course, I'll stay with the second one. I gave up the SSD for this computer, as well as installing Win7 on it. Request for "essence" - guidelines: 1. From which motherboards it is worth buying equipment so that it is USB3 and the possibility of expanding the RAM over 4 GB (if it is necessary to switch to a newer system than Win7) 2. What should be the minimum power of the power supply 3. What processor to consider when upgrading 4. For the board to make full use of the SSD with the operating system. If possible, a link like - pay attention to such equipment ... His: Advantages, Disadvantages. Thanks.
1. What motherboards are worth buying equipment from, so that it is USB3 and the possibility of expanding the RAM over 4 GB (if it is necessary to switch to a newer system than Win7)
In practice, in the case of Intel, after the cheap 3rd generation (B75, or more expensive Z77, H77) - these have native support for SATA III and USB 3.0. The prices of the 4th generation processors have also fallen, so the H81, B85, Z87, and the 9th series counterparts - H97, Z97. If you want to buy a processor with an unlocked multiplier and overclock - of all these Z series chipsets.
dantoma wrote:
2. What should be the minimum power of the power supply
Such as to pull the equipment connected to it and that there is still a slight reserve.
dantoma wrote:
3. What processor to consider when upgrading
From the latest, i.e. Core 8 generation or AM4. Buying old generations as part of modernization in the case of switching from Core 2 Duo makes sense, but newer solutions will remain "up to date" longer. The latest generations do not cooperate willingly with systems older than Windows 10, unfortunately.
dantoma wrote:
4. For the board to make full use of the SSD with the operating system.
Each SATA III motherboard should take full advantage of the SATA III drive's capabilities (as long as it is a native SATA III, not an exact controller, because it can be better or worse with them). In the case of newer boards, m.2 drives are also available, currently it is appropriate for this slot to be 3rd generation and have 4 PCIe (x4) lanes.
dantoma wrote:
If possible, a link like - pay attention to such equipment ... His: Advantages, Disadvantages.
There's no point in writing a compendium when it's all been written. You will know the exact budget, then you can write something like this instead of creating a whole encyclopedia.
Win 7 - do not go to this light!! constant problems with the update, a year two I remember, I couldn't update after a fresh install of win 7, no MS support, 100% cpu ground the computer for 3 days, I don't know if they fixed it.
Look for Win 10 stimulants on board and the hardware parameters you need at a price you can afford.
Wklep in algegro SFF win 10 price up to PLN 300, there is a bit of it
Win 7 - do not go to this light!! constant problems with the update, a year two I remember, I couldn't update after a fresh install of win 7, no MS support, 100% cpu ground the computer for 3 days, I don't know if they fixed it.
Not everyone likes the "light" of Windows 10. Windows 7 works well and there are hardly any problems with the update. There's no reason not to use this system if you like it.
myszkoscielna wrote:
Wklep in algegro SFF win 10 price up to PLN 300, there is a bit of it
SFF is not always a good idea due to the difficulty of expansion. Thinking about more efficient equipment, it is definitely worth considering a normal-sized case.
The discussion revolves around the feasibility of upgrading an old computer, which currently runs Windows XP and has a maximum RAM capacity of 2 GB (DDR-II), by installing an SSD and potentially upgrading to Windows 7. Users express concerns about the limitations of the existing hardware, including frequent blue screens and slow performance. While SSDs can significantly improve speed, the lack of RAM and the age of the motherboard may hinder overall performance. Suggestions include checking for hardware issues, considering a complete system upgrade, and exploring second-hand options for better performance. The consensus leans towards not investing in the current setup due to its age and limitations, with recommendations to look for newer systems that support more RAM and modern operating systems. Summary generated by the language model.
