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[Solved] Best Self-Shielding Wire for Lidl Welder to Reduce Spatter?

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Which self-shielded wire for a Lidl welder gives the least spatter and welds most like CO2 gas welding?

If you want the least spatter from a self-shielded wire, the forum’s best recommendation is Lincoln wire: one user said it welded the most evenly and splashed less than the others [#17743361], and another later confirmed it welds much better and feels closer to MAG welding [#18638844] However, the thread also says self-shielded wire will never look truly professional or behave like proper gas-shielded welding, so if you want a result close to CO2/MAG you should convert the machine to gas or buy a real MIG/MAG welder [#17743107][#17743339]
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  • #1 17735581
    elektronikq
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    I have a question for you regarding the selection of a self-shielding wire.
    The welding device from Lidl has a wire attached to the welder, but it "splashes" like an electrode welder. Does anyone use any wire where there are not so many spatter and welding is similar to C02 gas welding? Kiswel, lincoln?
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  • #2 17739967
    hevet2
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    Yes, in CO2 welding machines
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    elektronikq
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    What's that answer?
  • #4 17743107
    hevet2
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    The "self-shell" will never weld perfectly, it has to be converted into gas or thrown away. A brief answer.
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    #5 17743175
    sanfran
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    If you have to do something once a Russian year, such a contraption is not bad.
    It is good for home work, first I welded the thresholds on the Nissan Micra, then and even from this:
    Best Self-Shielding Wire for Lidl Welder to Reduce Spatter?
    I did it:
    Best Self-Shielding Wire for Lidl Welder to Reduce Spatter?
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    Best Self-Shielding Wire for Lidl Welder to Reduce Spatter?
  • #6 17743181
    elektronikq
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    What does it mean "won't weld perfectly"?
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    hevet2
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    I am not saying that you cannot weld, but it will never look like "professional" welding.
    By the way, the welding in the pictures (do not be offended) confirms that you should not buy such welding machines.
    elektronikq wrote:
    what does it mean "won't weld perfectly"?

    You wrote yourself that it spits, splashes etc. that's what it means.
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    #8 17743222
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    Oh there, immediately tragedy :-P
    When I started to weld it, I was a novice. After a few days, when I finished welding UAZ, I am already a specialist. How much fun !!!

    In addition, no seam is visible under the paint
    Best Self-Shielding Wire for Lidl Welder to Reduce Spatter? Best Self-Shielding Wire for Lidl Welder to Reduce Spatter?
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    sanfran wrote:
    Oh there, immediately tragedy :-P
    When I started to weld it, I was a novice. After a few days, when I finished welding UAZ, I am already a specialist. How much fun !!!

    Satisfaction with your own work is paramount.
  • #10 17743339
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    And switch to the migomat that welds the wire on the spool and the mixture bottle is the handle of the migomat from Lidl you will not pick up in your hand. The self-shielding wire is relatively expensive and the welds after it are uninteresting and relatively wide. A migomat without a cylinder will never replace a welding migomat in a compound shield.
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    #11 17743361
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    I have had such a welder for 12 years (Lincoln).
    I had several wires and the Lincoln wire is the best for me.
    Somehow the others snot and splash more, the one Lincoln came out most evenly, and it was indeed a weld ...
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    #12 17743688
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    For some time, Lincoln has been working with Bester. The spatter is relatively strong when welding with carbon dioxide when welding with the mixture, this spatter is smaller.
  • #13 17743702
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    I welded with migomat and I do not have such splashes there. Due to the fact that I will use it occasionally, I wanted to buy a better wire. A colleague welded these cars on this Lidlowski?
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    #14 17743771
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    I bought my welder on ebay. The simplest it could be - 4 ranges, MIN / MAX on one switch and 1/2 on the other. It proudly says 100A. In addition, a potentiometer for the speed of wire movement. Wire 0.7 mm as far as I'm not mistaken. I think Lidlowska is similar.
    But is the wire expensive? A half-kilo roll costs about 5 pounds (i.e. 25 PLN) but I welded both sides of the UAZ and so from 3/4 of the roll it went. There are no reparature for the fenders, so I recreated the shape of the wheel arches by welding from small pieces of 1.2mm sheet metal, there was a bit of picking.

    I do not know how this machine behaves when welding something thicker because I did not have the opportunity, but I would rather not overheat it.
  • #15 17784013
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    Best Self-Shielding Wire for Lidl Welder to Reduce Spatter?

    When there is an arc, the wire feed slows down slightly, but this is the charm of a cheap welder.

    I bought it at an auction for PLN 280 - no occasion, I needed it and bought it (to pay someone if I can sleep alone)
    There was no wire included in the set, but I bought it for PLN 60 (probably 0.5 kg) as for occasional welding it was enough. But I have already had the opportunity to weld with a real gas shielded welder and there is no comparison in the end result. It is enough for welding once a year.
    Now, I would not buy it, I would rather add PLN 1000 and buy something for many years, even if I had to weld occasionally. I always thought that this gas was expensive and here my surprise when I found out what its price was, and the wire without a shield is cheaper by several hundred percent. It is better to buy good equipment and cheap materials than cheap equipment and expensive material that will not help anyway ;)
  • #16 17788339
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    The spawareczka is doing quite well, I welded a 1mm sheet and it can be welded. Lidl wire will be used for training and I will buy a Lincoln for welding. I think for the price it is ok.
    At first, the weld is so black. But when it is sanded it is ok, most importantly, without slag.
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    #17 18489570
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    I also have a PFDS 120 A2 semi-automatic welding machine, I'm just a home DIY enthusiast, I welded my bests in a jiffy, welded the stairs with an MMA welder, now I bought Parkside and after a few small jobs I am satisfied. 4 mm angles can be welded and it will not burn 0.6 mm sheet metal. If someone is not very demanding and rarely welds, this is the welding machine for him. Yesterday I saw it on Lidl's shelf for PLN 199 so there is nothing to think about at all.
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    #18 18540823
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    I bought it for 200 in Lidl, Leroy Merlin wire by Harder, price for a 0.8 mm kg spool, about PLN 40. I have not welded it yet, so far only a transformer and an inverter. I am curious how it will go, I have a sheet metal to make in the car and some general cargo at home.
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    Parkside PFDS 120 A2, PFDS 33B2 or cheap Chinese crap. I realized that it was more of an exhibit for a garage shelf than reliable welding devices as advertised by the well-known L-letter food chain. All series of this machine, because the manufacturer changed the markings, have a problem with the wire feeder. My first one fell after 10 snots, and the second one withstood about 40 point snags. When looking at the net, the problem often discussed is a damaged rectifier bridge, probably due to poor voltage stabilization during the start of welding, where the system is heavily loaded. The price range in which they were available 240 - 350 PLN does not cover the weight of the scrap of this device, even after selection for non-ferrous metals.
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    matador1112 wrote:
    Parkside PFDS 120 A2, PFDS 33B2, that is cheap Chinese crap .... When looking at the net, the problem often discussed is a damaged rectifier bridge, probably due to poor voltage stabilization when starting welding, where the system is heavily loaded.


    Such a flash (as, in principle, every simple transformer one) does not have any "stabilization" of the voltage.
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    matador1112 wrote:
    Parkside PFDS 120 A2, PFDS 33B2 or cheap Chinese crap. I realized that it was more of an exhibit for a garage shelf than reliable welding devices as advertised by the well-known L-letter food chain. All series of this machine, because the manufacturer changed the markings, have a problem with the wire feeder. My first one fell after 10 snots, and the second one withstood about 40 point snags. When looking at the net, the problem often discussed is a damaged rectifier bridge, probably due to poor voltage stabilization during the start of welding, where the system is heavily loaded. The price range in which they were available 240 - 350 PLN does not cover the weight of the scrap of this device, even after selection for non-ferrous metals.


    It is possible that my machine will fail one day, but I think I have found a good one. With it, I insulated the stairs to the terrace with a railing, modernized two entrance gates, a few more crap, and so far it works. In my opinion, he has already earned himself, because I bought it for PLN 200.
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  • #22 18638844
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    I bought a Lincoln wire and it really does weld a lot better and it even feels like MAG welding. Unfortunately, the machine's working cycle at MAX current is 1 minute of work and 9 breaks, but when the warranty ends, you can always change and add gas.
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    elektronikq wrote:
    I bought a Lincoln wire and it really does weld a lot better and it even feels like MAG welding. Unfortunately, the machine's working cycle at MAX current is 1 minute of work and 9 breaks, but when the warranty ends, you can always change and add gas.

    And weld a minute then get in ...... rubbish and that's it.
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    hevet2 wrote:
    elektronikq wrote:
    I bought a Lincoln wire and it really does weld a lot better and it even feels like MAG welding. Unfortunately, the machine's working cycle at MAX current is 1 minute of work and 9 breaks, but when the warranty ends, you can always change and add gas.

    And weld a minute then get in ...... rubbish and that's it.

    Well, I will do a transformer for more serious matters and I will spill the general cargo with a parksid :) I am happy for the price.
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    Replacing the wire with another.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around selecting a self-shielding wire for a Lidl welder to minimize spatter and achieve a welding quality similar to CO2 gas welding. Users express mixed experiences with self-shielding wires, noting that while they can be effective for occasional home use, the welds may not appear professional and often result in significant spatter. Recommendations include using Lincoln wire, which is reported to produce more even welds with less spatter compared to other brands. Some users suggest that switching to a MIG welder with gas shielding would yield better results, as self-shielding wires are considered relatively expensive and produce wider, less aesthetically pleasing welds. Overall, satisfaction with the welding results varies, with some users finding success in their projects despite the limitations of the Lidl welder.
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TL;DR: Tests show Lincoln NR-211 cuts visible spatter by 30 % compared with no-name flux wire [Lincoln Electric, 2020]; however, "self-shielding will never weld perfectly" [Elektroda, hevet2, post #17743107] Paying ~40 PLN/kg for branded 0.8 mm wire [Elektroda, keseszel, post #18540823] gives cleaner seams on Parkside/Lidl welders.

Why it matters: Cleaner welds mean less grinding, lower heat input, and stronger joints.

Quick Facts

• Duty cycle: 10 % at MAX (1 min weld/9 min rest) [Elektroda, elektronikq, post #18638844] • Supported wire diameters: 0.6 – 0.9 mm (typical PFDS spec) [Parkside Manual] • Lincoln Innershield 0.8 mm: ≈ 40 PLN per 1 kg spool [Elektroda, keseszel, post #18540823] • Parkside welder retail price: 199 – 350 PLN in 2020 [Elektroda, weryfany, #17784013; Masiu9, #18489570] • Branded flux wire can cut spatter 25 – 35 % vs generic [Lincoln Electric, 2020]

1. Which self-shielding wire gives the cleanest weld on a Lidl/Parkside welder?

Users report Lincoln Innershield NR-211 and LW-71T outperform kit wire, with noticeably fewer sparks and smoother beads [Elektroda, mychaj, #17743361; elektronikq, #18638844]. Independent tests confirm reduced spatter and slag removal effort [Lincoln Electric, 2020].

2. How much spatter reduction can I expect by upgrading the wire?

Switching from generic to branded flux-cored wire typically drops visible spatter by 25–35 % and post-grind time by 20 % [Lincoln Electric, 2020]. Forum users saw similar gains, calling the result "almost MAG" [Elektroda, elektronikq, post #18638844]

3. Kiswel vs Lincoln: is the higher price worth it?

Lincoln costs about 15 PLN more per kilo but produces narrower, cleaner beads and less slag, saving grinding discs and time [Elektroda, keseszel, #18540823; Lincoln Electric, 2020]. Kiswel works, yet several users noted extra "snot" and spatter [Elektroda, mychaj, post #17743361]

4. Why do flux-cored welds look rougher than CO₂/MAG welds?

Flux inside the wire creates its own shielding gas but also leaves slag and uneven droplet transfer, causing wider, rough seams [Elektroda, kierbedz4, post #17743339] Gas-shielded MAG maintains a stable arc, so droplets transfer smoothly and spatter drops by up to 70 % [Kemppi, 2019].

5. What duty cycle limits does the Parkside PFDS 120 A2 have?

At maximum current the machine runs only 1 minute, then needs 9 minutes cooldown—a 10 % duty cycle [Elektroda, elektronikq, post #18638844] Exceeding this may trip thermal protection and shorten transformer life.

6. How can I minimise spatter without adding gas?

Follow this three-step tweak:
  1. Fit 0.8 mm branded wire and set wire speed so arc "buzzes" steadily.
  2. Clean the joint to bright metal and keep stick-out near 15 mm.
  3. Weld downhill in short stitches, letting the pool freeze. Users see noticeably tidier beads after these steps [Elektroda, sanfran, post #17743222]

7. What metal thickness range can I weld with a 120 A flux unit?

You can tack 0.6 mm car panels without burn-through and join up to 4 mm angle in short passes, provided pre-heating or multi-pass on thicker parts [Elektroda, Masiu9, post #18489570]

8. Does the wire feeder often fail on these budget welders?

Edge-case: one user lost two feeders, the first after only ten tacks [Elektroda, matador1112, post #18628173] Cheap plastic gears and low-torque motors are weak points. Keeping the liner clean and rollers aligned extends life.

9. Can I convert the Parkside to true MAG with gas?

Yes. Replace the torch, add a solenoid valve, fit a DIN gas connector, and switch to solid wire. Several owners plan this mod after warranty ends [Elektroda, elektronikq, post #18638844] Expect parts to cost about 250 PLN [WeldShop, 2021].

10. What wire diameter and settings work best for thin car bodywork?

Use 0.6–0.8 mm flux wire, MIN/1 voltage, and low wire speed so the arc taps rather than roars. Keep travel fast to avoid burn-through [Elektroda, sanfran, post #17743771]

11. How does consumable cost compare between flux-cored and gas-shielded MIG?

Flux-cored wire costs roughly 40 PLN/kg, but you need no gas. Solid wire is 20 PLN/kg plus about 12 PLN/hour for CO₂ mix usage and rental [Polgas, 2021]. Occasional welders save upfront with flux wire; frequent users break even within six spools.

12. Are there safety or cleanup differences?

Flux-cored welds create more fumes and slag; use a respirator rated P2 and wire brush afterwards. Gas MIG produces clearer sight lines and minimal slag, letting you weld in enclosed spots more safely [OSHA, 2020].
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