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Electrical installation acceptance protocol + Protection measurements - practica

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  • #1 17790593
    jan.jan2
    Level 4  
    Hello.

    I am an electrical engineer and I have SEP "E" and "D" qualification certificates
    Fully except for electrolysis equipment. (including control and measurement).

    A friend asked me to perform protective measurements for him, including the electrical installation acceptance protocol, with a subsequent entry in the construction book.

    In this regard, I have a few questions.

    The installation of a single-family house is made without a box, without a lightning protection system and with a 24V power supply (lighting) for the bathroom.


    The measurements I would like to take are:

    * Earth resistance measurement.
    Here, the thing is probably the fastest, the foundation grounding with the exit of the FeZn 25x4 mm tape.

    Three-wire measurement method.

    * Measurement of continuity of protective conductors.

    Here, too, the matter is not difficult. From the main PE bus of the switching station to all pins of sockets and PE terminals of lighting sources.

    * Short circuit loop impedance measurement (checking the efficiency of the SWZ).

    Measurement on sockets is quick, on lighting fixtures a bit more troublesome.

    In fact, probably every circuit is powered by residual current devices (except for 24V power supply for lighting in the bathroom).

    So I will enter the required impedance in the table with classic overcurrent protection with a residual current device (assuming 5x I?N).


    It will be more troublesome when measuring lighting fixtures, you will have to disconnect everything from the light source.

    * Measurement of the insulation resistance of wires.

    I do not see the problem to the sockets, I disconnect L and N from the RCD, bridge them together and measure to PE. (I remember somewhere from the SEP course that there is no need to measure the insulation resistance L to PE and N to PE separately, because if there is a short circuit L and N and the short circuit loop is ok, the protection will work anyway in the right time).

    But I can see the problem with lighting fixtures.

    Disassembly of each luminaire and enclosed installation connectors for luminaires.

    * WLZ measurement

    Measurements from the connector to the main switchboard of the building.
    Measurement of insulation resistance with a test voltage of 2500V.


    Also, there are a lot of measurements and a lot of time is also spent on it (house about 200m ^ 2)).



    Finally, some paperwork.

    Finally, I prepare an electrical installation acceptance report (1 document) and reports of the above-mentioned measurements, stapled together (2 document).

    I have attached the documents in the attachment, they are not the most recent, but can they be legally used for the protocols?


    Has something changed in the scope of taking protective measurements, or can it be performed by 1 person and the same person must sign it?
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    #2 17790628
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Buddy, start with PN HD60364 6.
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  • #3 17790645
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    jan.jan2 wrote:
    Has anything changed in the scope of taking protective measurements,

    Yes, you are a dozen seasons behind Negroes. You absolutely must know and apply this standard.
    PN-HD 60364-6 Low voltage electrical installations - Part 6: Checking.
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  • #4 17793277
    jan.jan2
    Level 4  
    Thanks for the answers.

    I have read the norm and especially the point 61. acceptance check.


    The protocols in the annexes are available in this standard.

    Appendix F- Description of the installation to be checked

    Value of the external fault loop impedance - measurement at the IPZ on the main protection already in the facility's switchgear.
    Further in this section, measurement of the earthing resistance.
    Next, the continuity of protective connections. There are no equipotential connections in the tested installation, so I do not fill in anything else?

    Insulating and protective devices at the installation connection - here, as a rule, in the south there is only a fuse switch and a meter, and no RCD.

    Annex G - Electrical installations inspection form

    here, what can you write in these tiny columns. Put the pipe in the right places or the entry correctly?


    Annex H - Electrical installations verification report

    here a sub-item in this table, securing the main switchgear?

    In this table, I do not have the minimum required IPZ value or short-circuit current.


    I also miss such a formal protocol of compliance of the electrical installation with the PN HD60364 standard.


    Have any of you included the scheme of the electrical installation of the facility in such protocols?

    Added after 19 [hours] 12 [minutes]:

    If you don't want to answer my monologues anymore ...

    The question is, is it necessary to measure WLZ- from the connector to the main switchboard?
  • #5 17796216
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    jan.jan2 wrote:

    Annex G - Electrical installations inspection form

    here, what can you write in these tiny columns. Put the pipe in the right places or the entry correctly?

    Man, there you have at least a few dozen questions that should be answered! Description is the basis for checking! Measurements are only a supplement.

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    jan.jan2 wrote:

    Annex H - Electrical installations verification report

    here a sub-item in this table, securing the main switchgear?

    In this table I do not have the minimum required IPZ value or short-circuit current.

    Who is to write it to you?

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    jan.jan2 wrote:

    I also miss such a formal protocol of compliance of the electrical installation with the PN HD60364 standard.

    What is it for? You are the surveyor, you check according to which regulations and when the installation was made, you decide after the inspection and analysis of the measurements whether it is suitable for further operation. It is your ruling that is important!
    All tables and columns are auxiliary, you can even ignore them. Only you have to have for that real knowledge about installations, not bought paper.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    jan.jan2 wrote:

    The question is, is it necessary to measure WLZ- from the connector to the main switchboard?

    You decide everything. You can do nothing and sign a statement that the installation is operational, but do not forget that you are doing it under criminal liability !!!
  • #6 17800912
    jan.jan2
    Level 4  
    @retrofood


    I do not have any purchased paper ... I am an electrical engineer with little experience yet and I want to go towards measurements.
    I did the D + E qualification certificate in the SEP center and not by some companies, which the honorable committee comes to them.

    He designs drives at work, but he wants to try something on the side and that's why he wants to take care of protective measurements and commissioning of the installation ...

    Sharp words in my person, a person just wants something practical here from more experienced people just learn ...


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    From the legal point of view of the starosty, it looks like this:

    The person with D + E measurement takes measurements and then passes the installation acceptance protocol together with the acceptance attachment to the investor, who then makes an entry in the construction book to his construction manager with the construction license?
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  • #7 17801604
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    jan.jan2 wrote:
    @retrofood
    I do not have any purchased paper ... I am an electrical engineer with little experience yet and I want to go towards measurements.
    I did the D + E qualification certificate in the SEP center and not by some companies, which the honorable commission comes to them.
    Colleague Retrofood is right. You only have a piece of paper.
    Amateurs in this forum begin by specifying the layout of the receiving installation.
    Without it, no question can be answered.
    And my friend didn't even notice it.
  • #8 17804954
    jan.jan2
    Level 4  
    The installation is done in the TN-CS system.

    PEN is divided into PE and N in the connector, the PE bus is earthed.
    In the main switchboard of the facility, the foundation earthing is connected to the GSU via a FeZn tape.
  • #9 17810727
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    jan.jan2 wrote:

    I do not have any purchased paper ... I am an electrical engineer with little experience yet and I want to go towards measurements.
    I did the D + E qualification certificate in the SEP center and not by some companies, which the honorable committee comes to them.

    I was by no means suggesting that you bought yourself some paper. If so, then I apologize. On the other hand, my post was to make you realize that for measurements you need knowledge that cannot be acquired at school or at courses. Knowledge is the product of theory and practice. Product! And just like in the product, if one of the factors is close to zero ...
    Measurements are first and foremost responsibility . After all, what I wrote in the previous post is pure truth. Read it again, just without notice. You decide the result. End, period.

    PS.
    Quote:
    The person with D + E measurement takes measurements and then passes the installation acceptance protocol together with the acceptance attachment to the investor, who then makes an entry in the construction book to his construction manager with the construction license?

    Yes, it is before the construction is completed and the application for settlement is submitted.
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    #10 17810982
    kozi966
    Moderator of Electricians group
    An application for an occupancy permit is attached, including:
    Electrical installation acceptance protocol + Protection measurements - practica

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the procedures and standards for conducting protective measurements and acceptance protocols for electrical installations, specifically in a single-family house setup. The user, an electrical engineer with SEP "E" and "D" qualifications, seeks guidance on performing earth resistance measurements, continuity of protective conductors, and short circuit testing. Participants emphasize the importance of adhering to the PN-HD 60364-6 standard for low voltage electrical installations, particularly regarding acceptance checks and the documentation required for the construction book. The conversation highlights the necessity of practical knowledge in addition to theoretical understanding, as well as the legal implications of signing off on installation safety. The installation is noted to be in the TN-CS system, with specific grounding methods discussed.
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