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Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility

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  • #1 18090455
    rustin
    Level 15  
    Hello
    I have an intercom with the wicket opening function, so it is connected to the electric strike.
    The problem is that I have no idea what lock I need for such a wicket and whether it is possible to attach an electric lock to it without welding.
    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility


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  • #2 18090493
    Zbych034
    Level 39  
    The bolt is mounted in the frame, not the lock (and there are 3 photos of it). It's hard to say anything based on 1 photo. But the appearance that it will not do without modifications.
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    #3 18090496
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    The lock you have is the right one. Only the door handle from the street side is removed, and the knob is mounted so that there is something to pull, but it is not possible to open it. In the place where the bolt (tongue) from the handle enters the frame opening, you install an electric strike that will release the handle bolt. Of course, the handle should be hidden behind the gate, so that it is impossible to insert your fingers from the outside, these rungs of the gate are too sparsely placed, or you need to provide a sheet metal cover.
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  • #4 18090588
    rustin
    Level 15  
    You're right, I didn't think about the fact that the gate is low and that you can put your hand through the gate or over it. It also cannot be secured automatically.
  • #5 18090615
    alster1
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    It is possible, you need to put on permanent handles on both sides of the gate and open it with an intercom or a key. Installation of an electric lock without cutting and welding is rather impossible for you.
  • #6 18090640
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    alster1 wrote:
    It is possible, you need to put on permanent handles on both sides of the gate and open it with an intercom or a key.
    Well, no, if I had to start with the key to the gate every time, I would give up the electric strike. By this I mean action when I am not in the vicinity of the intercom. However, I would use some protection for the internal handle.
  • #7 18090691
    alster1
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    stanislaw1954 wrote:
    Well, no, if I had to start with the key to the gate every time, I would give up the electric strike. By this I mean action when I am not in the vicinity of the intercom. However, I would use some protection for the internal handle.

    Then write what you would use for a low gate with a sparse filling, over which you can put your hand over and press the handle, because I personally would not weld half of the gate with a sheet metal so that someone would not use the handle by accident, but it is a matter of taste.
    You can use an electric lock with a memory, a combination lock, an exit button in a place inaccessible from the outside, there are many solutions, but the choice is up to the author
  • #8 18090733
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    alster1 wrote:
    You can use an electric lock with a memory, a combination lock, an exit button in a place inaccessible from the outside, there are many solutions, but the choice is up to the author
    So there are already 3 possibilities. As for the mechanical ones, it remains to install the knob from the inside, which, however, is a significant difficulty in relation to pressing the handle, or a kind of cover for the handle from the top and from the street (like an eaves). It may be strange, but I met something like this at the gate, where a large dog was able to press the door handle, and such a cover could not be defeated anymore.

    Added after 14 [minutes]:

    I will add one more way to it - a dispute, or even a large dog walking on the property (there may be a warning sign on the gate, fence) and no one wants to put their hands behind the gate in order to open / press the handle. It really works !!!
  • #9 18090961
    Chris_W

    Level 39  
    A huge part of people do not go "wild" as there is an intercom, too much fear with dogs, alarms, cameras. Enter by reaching the door handle through the wires will be buddies, or you alone in "silent mode, drunk after midnight" ;)
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  • #10 18092794
    suworow
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    To be honest, my friend threw these photos in, and still not everything is known :) .
    Such cheap, often ready, wickets is a nuisance for the installer. Sometimes it simply cannot be done well, and modifications often take more time than the installation of an intercom and cost much more than the wicket itself. Even if it can fit well at the assembly stage and leave a small margin for the work of the material itself under the influence of temperature, it is unlikely to be so large to compensate for the possible work of the posts themselves due to freezing of the ground. As a consolation, let me just add that installing a wicket at a locksmith does not always bring the desired results.
    So in turn:
    o The handle on the inside is usually a bad idea, even if half of the wicket is covered with metal sheets. It will always be easier to press it while leaning over the gate with a piece of a stick found than to turn the knob (which is also out of the question in this case. with the opening button.
    o Narrow lock is a short distance of the lock axis (dormas dimension) from the edge of the gate.
    As a result, the handrail sign may rest against the wicket limiter. The limiter itself may have to be cut out so that the handle and the lock insert passes with it. Even if we manage to do it, it is still not very convenient and when opening it it is easy to hit the limiter with your hand. Whenever we think about the cooperation of a wicket with a striker, it is worth ordering one with a can with a larger size dormas, where the axis of the cylinder and the handle / handrail is much further away from the edge than at a friend's. We are talking about the B dimension from the figure below, which for everything to be fine, should be at least 4 cm, and for a friend it is probably about 2 cm.
    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility

    As we are talking about the dimensions of the lock, its spacing is equally important. Here, the desired dimension will be 90 mm (A dimension in our drawing)

    So, the fun with this gate should start with cutting it open and inserting a lock box into it, e.g. for a lock with a distance of 90 mm and a dormas dimension, e.g. 5 cm.
    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility
    o It is good when the wicket cooperating with the catch was mounted on adjustable hinges. This helps during the assembly itself and allows you to correct the distance between the wicket's forehead and the catch during operation.
    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility
    o The question of mounting the catch remains. It all depends on whether the lock's tongue rests on the post or remains at some distance from it. And let's go back to the previous point, i.e. adjustable hinges.
    Possible solutions:
    - use of the catch with its own rail and possible correction of its position with washers. Typical catches in this category are R1 and R2
    - the use of R3 or R4 type hooks and a strip + possibly the aforementioned washers.
    - the use of an R4 type hitch and a ready-made hitch box, although it is usually intended for surface mounting, but there is nothing to prevent it from being let into the post.

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility








    electric strike strip

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility











    Universal electric strike cassette (left right). The limiter is relocated. An indentation was made in it so as to leave a place to pass the handle or insert. The catch in this box is introduced from the top after removing the cap. Therefore, it should not be let into the post.

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility

    The drawbar cassette with the front strip. Such a cassette, although intended for surface mounting, is also suitable for insertion into a post. The cassette comes in three types:
    o left
    o laws
    o universal, where the limiter is mounted on the bolts and can be moved, but what is also important in the case of unusual thicknesses of the wicket, sliding it out slightly by changing it.

    A big advantage of this cassette is a fairly strong, hard signboard. The cassette is available in galvanized, painted or raw version, as shown in the photo. Usually the cassette and the plate are sold separately. Fits R3 and R4 attachments











    Sample photos of well-prepared gates.
    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility

    Examples of modifications:

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility



    And finally a cherry. Fortunately, it turned out that we were only supposed to control the gate ;)
    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility
  • #11 18094152
    alster1
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    Very nicely described, the mod friend did his best :)
    I am for hanging it in intercoms because it will disappear in the maze of posts, and the material is valuable.
  • #12 18094305
    suworow
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    I always wanted to do this until the opportunity arose.
    I am exactly going to do as you write.
    If someone has any interesting comments, he wants to add something (and I know that I have not exhausted the topic :) ) add photos of well-made catches, jumpers, etc., as well as those installed correctly, otherwise, then I invite you :)
  • #13 18094315
    alster1
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    I used a knob that is bent, on one side it is fixed and on the other side it is movable. It has been fulfilling its task for three years, it is impossible to injure a hand like with a simple grip and today it looks like it was on the day of purchase.
    Photo from the manufacturer's auction. Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility

    Examples of handrails:
    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility
    Fixed handrail, opening the wicket only with a key or an intercom.

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility
    On the outside, the handrail is fixed, on the property side, it can be opened with a handle.
  • #14 18105924
    suworow
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    To sum up:
    Appropriate preparation of the wicket for control from an intercom includes:

    o assembly of the striker anchor and the striker itself (so as to be able to check whether the lock tongue actually properly engages the electro-catch tongue)
    o installation of a lock with a triangular tongue, which, after turning the key in the maximum direction of opening, will retract the lock tongue, just like the handle does
    o installation of appropriate handrails instead of handles.
    o bringing a cable catch or conduit with a remote control to the anchor

    What speaks for the proper preparation of the fence at the stage of its construction:
    o Conversions are not always simple and generate additional costs
    o during modifications we damage, for example, the varnish coating of the posts
    o aesthetics of performance
    o durability and reliability

    Here I am always reminded of such a topic.
    I was wiring the building for my colleague. Of course, we led the wires to the fence, I wrote what wires and where to go, how to build the fence, how to prepare wickets (there were two). Of course, I also enclosed photos of the hitch anchor, handrails, and cable.
    It so happened that while they were installing wickets, I got to the facility.
    So I ask my colleague if he passed all the comments to his fellow builders.
    He said so, but since I am and there is a performer, let's approach and ask, let's make sure everything is clear. So I ask about this preparation, and here the guest of course says yes, and I can see from his face that something is wrong here. So I am asking for what type of catch exactly they have prepared. And here the answer is that they have prepared so generally. My answer is that it is impossible to prepare in general, because it prepares completely differently for R1 and R4, for example, and I repeat the question about preparation. Here, the guest informs that in general, and for a specific hook, you will have to cut it. As you can guess, they did not prepare anything. They installed ordinary door handles and, as in the case of a colleague in the pictures, locks. For reworking it, they asked for PLN 300 per wicket ;)
    It was a former company that specialized in the construction of fences ...
  • #15 18444208
    rustin
    Level 15  
    Let me refresh the topic a bit. I did not write anything because the gate is low and the rungs are rare. Nobody thought about it before, when they made the fence and it makes no sense to install an electric strike that can be opened with the handle from the inside without a problem from the street and fly with the key and now I do it.

    But one thing occurred to me. Is there a battery-operated bolt or a power supply that would extend a simple bolt into the gate controlled by a remote control? possibly still an intercom?
    It would always be easier, if I wanted to use this bolt, bolt, and if not, then I would lock it with the key. Everything depending on the situation and weather. It would make it much easier for me
  • #16 18445039
    krzysiozak
    Level 39  
    Such a bolt eats too much electricity, unless you put a battery there, but I have not come across such solutions.
  • #17 18445070
    kood
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    rustin wrote:
    Is there a battery-operated bolt or a power supply that would extend a simple bolt into the gate controlled by a remote control? possibly still an intercom?
    It would always be easier, if I wanted to use this bolt, bolt, and if not, then I would lock it with the key. Everything depending on the situation and weather. It would make it much easier for me


    After all, you got the answers above. Install a rigid handle, electric strike on both sides and you will be able to open from the intercom, add a code lock or a bell button from the inside, but in such a place that it cannot be pressed while at the gate and before you open yourself from the inside, add a radio link and a remote control you will also be able to open. In the event of a tap / power failure, you can open it with the key.
  • #18 18445091
    alster1
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    rustin wrote:
    Is there a battery-operated bolt or a power supply that would extend a simple bolt into the gate controlled by a remote control?

    Search under the name "solenoid" or "pin jumper" for battery power supply, do not count, too high power consumption, intercom control to be done, the remote control must be added separately.
  • #19 18471641
    ROWE
    Level 34  
    rustin wrote:
    Is there a battery-operated bolt or a power supply that would extend a simple bolt into the gate controlled by a remote control? possibly still an intercom?
    krzysiozak wrote:
    Such a bolt eats too much electricity, unless you put a battery there, but I have not come across such solutions.

    Really?
    https://www.tim.pl/bezpwiedzowy-sterownik-rygla-bsr-207-4x-bateria-1-5v-sti10000039

    Wireless lock controller for the Zamel BSR-207 remote control (4x 1.5V-R20 battery, replacement every year) IP 44:
    "Wireless bolt controller designed to control an electromagnetic lock by means of a remote control, allows the bolt to be installed at the wicket or the entrance door without the need for electrical installation, the bolt controller powered by four 1.5V R-20 alkaline batteries, which ensure correct operation of the device for a period of 12 years. months, the ability to control one electromagnetic lock with several (max. 6) remote controls, safety of use thanks to the KEELOQ rolling code, acoustic signaling of the release of the electromagnet, the possibility of increasing the operating range by using the RT-219 repeater. Works with pilots of the following types: P-258/2, P-258/4, P-259/8. " Radio frequency 433.92 MHz.
  • #20 18766083
    R123
    Level 11  
    Hello, due to the lack of space between the post and the wicket, I am forced to insert the housing into the post (not completely, only partially) do you have any idea for a stable assembly of it inside after welding? the 8x8 oud post is supposed to be about 3 cm?
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  • #21 18766169
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    No handles and only key-operated opening is common.
    stanislaw1954 wrote:
    Well, no, if I had to start with the key to the gate every time, I would give up the electric strike. I mean acting when I am not in the vicinity of the intercom. However, I would use some protection for the internal handle.
    Internal handle protection - unreal.
    I assume an opening button mounted from the inside and controlled by a simple code - a code on the button, not on the keyboard.
  • #22 19080047
    Stajnia_sie_pali
    Level 5  
    I can step on because I have a similar problem. Is there an option to install an electric strike without welding for such a wicket?

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility
  • #23 19080111
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    Stajnia_sie_pali wrote:
    Is there an option to install an electric strike without welding for such a wicket?
    Probably yes without welding, but the electric strike has its thickness. Measure that gray cap on the post and go to the store. When you find a hitch of this thickness, you are ready, if not, you need to cut a recess in the post so that the hitch can be hidden inside the post.
  • #24 19080745
    Ircys
    Intercoms specialist
    Stajnia_sie_pali wrote:
    Is there an option to install an electric strike without welding for such a wicket?


    Yes

    1. You need to remove what is on the post.
    2. Adjust the gate so that the lock tongue overlaps the post.
    3. Let the electric strike into the post.
    4. Install the angle blocking the closing of the wicket.
    5. Change the sign from a handle to a handrail.

    greetings
  • #25 19083667
    Stajnia_sie_pali
    Level 5  
    Can something like that work?

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility
  • #26 19083678
    Ircys
    Intercoms specialist
    Stajnia_sie_pali wrote:
    Can something like that work?


    If it fits, for example, after adjusting a wicket, of course it will.

    greetings
  • #27 19387754
    Stajnia_sie_pali
    Level 5  
    I am asking for another advice.

    The choice will probably be a cassette with an electric strike with internal memory. The set I have is Dahua VTO2111D-P-S2 + VTH2421FW-P. I have a plan on how to combine it with each other but I would like to ask for tips and corrections.

    I install the doorphone on the post

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility

    I drill to the other side and the cables from the doorphone, electric strike and walls (which will be in the tray) come together in a surface-mounted box and a bell button comes out of it.

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility

    1. Is it a logical solution? (ordinary twisted pair from the wall is a tragedy but that's the way it is)

    2. Will a 48v / 12v stabilizer be needed to power the electric strike? If so, how to connect it? Just connect to the 2.1 / 5 plug. 5 on the stabilizer?

    3. Is it possible to connect a bell button to this set? How to connect it?

    This is what the back of the door station looks like

    Choosing the Right Lock for Wicket Electric Strike: Avoid Welding & Intercom Compatibility

    Thanks a lot for all your help.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around selecting the appropriate lock for a wicket gate equipped with an electric strike and intercom system. Users express concerns about the feasibility of installing an electric lock without welding and the potential for unauthorized access due to the gate's low height and sparse rungs. Solutions proposed include using an electric strike that releases the handle bolt, installing permanent handles, and considering alternative locking mechanisms such as a combination lock or a remote-controlled bolt. The importance of proper installation and modifications to ensure security and functionality is emphasized, along with the suggestion of using a battery-operated bolt for flexibility. Various technical aspects, including the need for a stabilizer for the electric strike and the integration of a bell button, are also discussed.
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