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Harm and health effects of WI-FI 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz, Bluetooth

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  • #1
    darten
    Level 11  
    The topic and harmfulness is worth mentioning, it can be treated more broadly with the distinction between 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz WI-FI networks, which are increasingly used in homes, as well as Bluetooth connectivity.

    Unfortunately, I experienced the harmful effects of the radiation of the WI-FI 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz networks while wearing a dual-band router with two antennas at a foot of approx. 30 cm for a period of approx. 3 years. Earlier, about 10 years, I had a 2.4 GHz router at a distance of about 50 cm from my feet, but whether the current problems are not a build-up from many years or only related to the current device, it is difficult to say. Anyway, the effect was that with time I started to feel more and more tingling in my feet, sensory disturbances, i.e. lack of sensation, and at the same time hypersensitivity, and walking became incredibly painful and walking 500 m became very problematic due to the pain. Of course, I went to the doctors and despite many tests, no health problems were found, and I felt good and physically strong, but I had pain in my feet. Doctors spread their hands and I was still suffering. It was only during rehabilitation and emphasizing that the foot closer to WI-FI is in a slightly worse condition that I came up with the idea that the router may be the cause of the ailments.

    Currently I am turning off the router for the night and of course I have changed its location as far from the bed as possible. It's only been 1.5 months since then, and the health condition has improved a lot and walking is not so painful anymore, but it still bothers me.

    According to me, the harmfulness of WI-FI is considerable, but it depends very much on the conditions, and the distance plays a crucial role here. Doctors do not have experience with similar cases yet, because they may be rare or difficult to diagnose, as it is a relatively new risk. The worst part is that the neurological problems can be irreversible, and the radiation cannot be seen with the naked eye, so beware of it and it doesn't hurt right away.

    Another issue is radiation from neighbors, because almost everyone has a WI-FI network in the apartment, can it be isolated or shielded from it, or is there only education in the direction of switching off - at least for the night.

    Please enter any experience in health matters related to wireless transmissions, because devices of this type surround us from everywhere and we do not always have the opportunity to avoid them, and devices do not always have the ability to turn off the transmission.
  • #2
    sosarek

    Level 43  
    Another supporter of the flat earth theory?
    Radiation has always surrounded us, it surrounds us and it will surround us - do you think that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs?
  • #3
    jimasek
    Moderator of Networks, Internet
    Have you forgotten about GSM frequencies, which are also in the microwave band, and how often do we use a phone or other devices such as a GSM router or USB modem? Here the powers are much greater than with wif, not to mention the powers of the BTS stations.
    My advice is to move to Siberia or the deep Amazon, you will have peace of mind and the placebo effect will certainly work twice as much as here in the country among neighbors with wifi.

    the topic was already rolled on the forum not only - https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/find.php?q=bezpieczliwo%B6%E6+wifi
  • #4
    m.jastrzebski
    Level 40  
    darten wrote:
    The topic and harmfulness is worth mentioning, it can be treated more broadly with the distinction between 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz WI-FI networks, which are increasingly used in homes, as well as Bluetooth connectivity.

    Unfortunately, I experienced the harmful effects of the radiation of the WI-FI 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz networks while wearing a dual-band router with two antennas at a foot of approx. 30 cm for a period of approx. 3 years. Earlier, about 10 years, I had a 2.4 GHz router at a distance of about 50 cm from my feet, but whether the current problems are not a build-up from many years or only related to the current device, it is difficult to say. Anyway, the effect was that with time I started to feel more and more tingling in my feet, sensory disturbances, i.e. lack of sensation, and at the same time hypersensitivity, and walking became incredibly painful and walking 500 m became very problematic due to the pain. Of course, I went to the doctors and despite many tests, no health problems were found, and I felt good and physically strong, but I had pain in my feet. Doctors spread their hands and I was still suffering. It was only during rehabilitation and emphasizing that the foot closer to WI-FI is in a slightly worse condition that I came up with the idea that the router may be the cause of the ailments.

    Currently I am turning off the router for the night and of course I have changed its location as far from the bed as possible. It's only been 1.5 months since then, and the health condition has improved a lot and walking is not so painful anymore, but it still bothers me.

    According to me, the harmfulness of WI-FI is considerable, but it depends very much on the conditions, and the distance plays a crucial role here. Doctors do not have experience with similar cases yet, because they may be rare or difficult to diagnose, as it is a relatively new risk. The worst part is that the neurological problems can be irreversible, and the radiation cannot be seen with the naked eye, so beware of it and it doesn't hurt right away.

    Another issue is radiation from neighbors, because almost everyone has a WI-FI network in the apartment, can it be isolated or shielded from it, or is there only education in the direction of switching off - at least for the night.

    Please enter any experience in health matters related to wireless transmissions, because devices of this type surround us from everywhere and we do not always have the opportunity to avoid them, and devices do not always have the ability to turn off the transmission.

    Good thing that you were lying with your feet next to the router, not with your head! Then it would be even worse with you!

    Turn off at night:
    - satellite TV (in the sense of satellites)
    - GPS satellites
    - all GSMs
    - telecommunications radio links
    - weather and airborne radars
    - keyfobs, microwave ovens and high-voltage lines
    - etc, etc.

    And if you love the simplest of explanations so much, I have some ideas. Check if there was a water vein under the router. The radiation of the vein superimposed on the radiation of the router is a disaster, ladies! And when it was such a fancy angular gejming router, how was the radiation of the shape superimposed on it with the unfavorable fennel szui, then death in shoes, ladies.
  • #5
    sosarek

    Level 43  
    Let us not forget about the sun ... this is also the radiation ...
    Theme for HP rather than here.
  • #6
    clubber84
    Level 33  
    Oh, oh, does the author claim that his neighbors' wifi has an impact on his health and well-being?
    Dude, these are only MW that pass through walls with difficulty, and most of all through reinforced concrete structures of modern buildings or previous large-panel structures.
    Admittedly, it matters when you have the router with antennas on your body or part of it for a long time, but through the wall it won't hurt you.
  • #7
    Olza98
    Level 14  
    sosarek wrote:
    Let us not forget about the sun ... this is also the radiation ...
    Theme for HP rather than here.

    3,442 people died from sunstroke between 1999 and 2003 in the USA alone.
    Besides, in many countries in Poland there is also officially something like microwave disease
    considered an occupational disease for certain groups of workers.
  • #8
    szon
    Level 18  
    clubber84 wrote:
    Oh, oh, does the author claim that his neighbors' wifi has an impact on his health and well-being?
    Dude, these are only MW that pass through walls with difficulty, and most of all through reinforced concrete structures of modern buildings or previous large-panel structures.
    Admittedly, it matters when you have the router with antennas next to your body or parts of it for a long time, but through the wall it won't hurt you.
    Some MW does not pass through the walls. At one time, I was not comfortable with my network, I installed a monitor application and I had about 10 signals at home, some quite strong and what. And I do not know why you are making fun of the author, so you are sure that it does not affect our health
  • #9
    750kV
    Level 32  
    m.jastrzebski wrote:
    .... Check if there was no water vein under the router ... (...) ... it also applied the shape radiation from ...

    A colleague is an expert in dowsing that makes him laugh so much? I have been an expert in this field for a quarter of a century. There are also court experts in the field of dowsing, so I would ask my colleague to refrain from demonstrating ignorance and off-topic (in addition).
    I agree with the rest of my colleague's statement. Microwave radiation of this power does not have the slightest effect on the internal organs, and even on the skin. Only a multiple increase in power with the simultaneous focusing of the radiation beam would result in thermal effects in the form of burns.
    The rest are only conspiracy theories on the basis of: "And because it is all without the atuma, that the mummy waryjota".
  • #10
    Krzysztof Kamienski
    Level 43  
    darten wrote:
    Anyway, the effect was that with time I started to feel more and more tingling in my feet, sensory disturbances, i.e. lack of sensation, and at the same time hypersensitivity, and walking became incredibly painful and walking 500 m became very problematic
    And the glucose level is this my colleague measured? The symptoms indicate a typical "diabetic foot", also called "socks" for the location of the pain).
    750kV wrote:
    A colleague is an expert in dowsing that makes him laugh so much? I have been an expert in this field for a quarter of a century.
    Maybe more, hmm ..... scientifically - so-called radiation. "watercourse, veins" is electromagnetic in nature, or is it a neutrino beam? Measuring instruments? Detectors, but physical, not biological in the form of the Black Cat ....
  • #11
    Nagus
    Level 27  
    Tia ... On the same principle, there was probably hate on LTE 5G: someone sat for an hour on the toilet with a smartphone in his hand, and the fact that he lost feeling in his legs is the result of LTE radiation and not an uncomfortable position "on the throne".
    You do not put the WiFi router under your feet, not because of the radiation, but because you start to occupy an uncomfortable position behind the desk so that you do not step on the router.
  • #12
    m.jastrzebski
    Level 40  
    [quote = "750kV"]
    m.jastrzebski wrote:

    A colleague is an expert in dowsing that makes him laugh so much? I have been an expert in this field for a quarter of a century. There are also court experts in the field of dowsing, so I would ask my colleague to refrain from demonstrating ignorance and off-topic
    No, I'm not an "expert" in radjesties. I am a flat earth expert. I will add an outstanding expert on flat earth, and since I have been dealing with the topic for a quarter of a century, it is probably obvious that the earth is flat. CBDU

    PS I have seen such radiesthesia experts as my neighbor drilled wells. As they saw the results of electrofusion tests for me (repeatable, physical measurement made by a device that is not capable of self-breaking), they even stopped answering phone calls, because it turned out that their experiments were a pound of lint not worth: - / Make a mistake about 40m .... So forgive me despite your 25 years of "experience", I will laugh so much at people's naivety.

    PS2. Some quarter-century dowser finally took this million dollars from James Randie? Is there still no one wanted to.
  • #13
    sebap
    Level 41  
    Auto topic for some purpose wrote it. It is a pity that most of them laugh at it.
    Buddy darten, it's not from the router, but rather WiFi, your feet hurt / hurt. The radiation level from 100mW is imperceptible, so look for the reason elsewhere.
  • #14
    m.jastrzebski
    Level 40  
    szon wrote:
    Some MW does not pass through the walls. At one time, I was not comfortable with my network, I installed a monitor application and I had about 10 signals at home, some quite strong and what. And I do not know why you are making fun of the author, so you are sure that it does not affect our health
    A legal router transmits with a power of 100mW. After passing through the wall, the amount of energy is many times less.
    Nobody is saying that it has no effect on health. Only it is foolishness and a pointless dead end to draw far-reaching conclusions from one man's strange symptoms. My grandfather always drank tea from a glass. He drank from a cup once and died during the night. Ergo, the cups are killing. Man has some medical condition. I'm sorry. Probably rare. I sooner believe that doctors cannot discover and name a disease than that it caused EM 2.4 and / or 5Ghz radiation. Because somehow you don't see an epidemic of numbing members in a society that sleeps on their cells. A medical error is a common sight, unfortunately :-(

    Added after 8 [minutes]:

    Krzysztof Kamienski wrote:
    Maybe more, hmm ..... scientifically - so-called radiation. "watercourse, veins" is electromagnetic in nature, or is it a neutrino beam? Measuring instruments? Detectors, but physical, not biological in the form of the Black Cat ....

    You have the requirements. Measuring device. Even a herd of "black cats" going through a double-blind test will satisfy me there ...
  • #15
    darten
    Level 11  
    Krzysztof Kamienski wrote:
    And the glucose level is this my colleague measured? The symptoms indicate a typical "diabetic foot", also called "socks" for the location of the pain).

    Of course, I also did research for diabetes, because the symptoms are very similar.
    clubber84 wrote:
    Oh, oh, does the author claim that his neighbors' wifi has an impact on his health and well-being?
    Dude, these are only MW that pass through walls with difficulty, and most of all through reinforced concrete structures of modern buildings or previous large-panel structures.
    Admittedly, it matters when you have the router with antennas next to your body or parts of it for a long time, but through the wall it won't hurt you.

    It just so happens that the neighbor has a router right under my bed and it is enough to turn on the network scanner with signal strength measurement to find out that at a distance of 0.5 m from my router, and about 2 m from the ceiling from my neighbor, the difference in signal level is little.
    szon wrote:
    Some MW does not pass through the walls. At one time, I was not comfortable with my network, I installed a monitor application and I had about 10 signals at home, some quite strong and what. And I do not know why you are making fun of the author, so you are sure that it does not affect our health

    I wonder if any of the skeptics about the harmfulness would undertake the experiment and expose it to radiation for several years or sacrifice his little child (the effect would be faster ;-) to confirm your beliefs. :-)
    I remembered that once I talked to a man who assembles transmitting antennas as he mentioned that after some installations he had to recover for a few days due to various pains caused by radiation.
  • #16
    m.jastrzebski
    Level 40  
    darten wrote:

    I wonder if any of the skeptics about the harmfulness would undertake the experiment and expose it to radiation for several years or sacrifice his little child (the effect would be faster ;-) to confirm your beliefs. :-)
    I remembered that at one time I talked to a man who assembles transmitting antennas as he mentioned that after some installations he had to recover for a few days due to various pains caused by radiation.
    For 15 years, I have been sitting at a computer that uses WiFi for many hours every day. Like most of the population. Unfortunately, my children too. We used to sit in front of cinema-wax televisions. I understand that blaming WiFi is tempting because it's very easy.

    Known issue. But the colleague worked under special conditions. If they did not turn off broadcasting for his assembly, then that's his problem. Only that such telecommunications antennas sometimes radiate with power greater than that of a microwave. They have parabolic antennas that focus the radiation in a small area. The RTV transmitter near Warsaw transmits each MUX channel with the power of ..... 100kW. About 1,000,000 (in words: a million) times the size of your router. Comparing One To Another ...

    In summary, go looking for the cause of your health problems, but don't take shortcuts. For my own good.

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    darten wrote:

    It just so happens that the neighbor has a router right under my bed and it is enough to turn on the network scanner with signal strength measurement to find out that at a distance of 0.5 m from my router, and about 2 m from the ceiling from my neighbor, the difference in signal level is little.
    How small. Enter two values.
  • #17
    750kV
    Level 32  
    m.jastrzebski wrote:
    ... No, I am not an "expert" in radjesty. I am a flat earth expert. I will add an outstanding expert on flat earth, and since I have been dealing with the topic for a quarter of a century, it is probably obvious that the earth is flat. CBDU ...

    Not this department and not this topic. If you are a "flat Earth expert" then I have to worry you. The earth is not flat, only concave. After all, the soles of the shoes are rubbing on the heels and toes. On the other hand, I will stay with dowsing as one of the four subjects that I have taught for over half my life (I'm 53) in post-secondary schools of psychotronics.
  • #18
    m.jastrzebski
    Level 40  
    750kV wrote:
    On the other hand, I will stay with dowsing as one of the four subjects that I have taught for over half my life (I'm 53) in post-secondary schools of psychotronics.

    Well, man, half of his life was wasted on the springs :-(
    I personally feel disgusted when someone juxtaposes the words "school" and "psychotronics". The psychotronics Sabbath would be more adequate.

    And besides, it doesn't make sense. They probably pay their lecturers poorly. And there is a million dulars waiting. It is enough to prove a little in this academic psychotronics. You've sacrificed half your life, what's the problem in a double-blind attempt to persuade unbelievers?
  • #19
    sebap
    Level 41  
    Such a delicate suggestion, I think it's time to close this topic or move it to another, more appropriate place.
  • #20
    jimasek
    Moderator of Networks, Internet
    I close the topic because we will not come up with anything new here, and only one through the other we will prove who is more right and who is less.