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Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start

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  • #1 18206404
    power_pc
    Level 12  
    Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start
    I have a problem with the power supply for my Dell Optiplex 780 SFF.
    I repaired the power supply because the capacitor on the original one flew, for the sake of principle I replaced all the capacitors and the fan, because it rattled a little. I put it together - everything works on the table, when I put it in the computer, it does not start, the LEDs on the housing indicate error 1-3- and the Power button flashes - i.e. according to information in the computer manual is an error in the power supply, motherboard or peripheral device. The computer is operational, it wakes up on a different power supply.

    Voltage measurements on the power supply:
    connected to the network:
    PS_ON 4.97V; SB 5.05 V
    Start without load:
    3.37 V; 5.22V; 11.54V; -11.91V; SB 5.05 V; PG 4.99 V
    with a load of approx. 50%
    3.38 V; 5.11V; 11.85V; -11.91V; SB 5.04 V; PG 4.98 V

    So everything is normal, even exemplary. By holding down the test button on the power supply, the computer starts up. I assume that the motherboard is doing some kind of self test of the power supply, because when it is turned on, the fans start for a moment when it is turned on, and on the fixed one, it is not. I don't understand any of this, what doesn't suit him? Could I have missed something?

    Edit:
    I was digging a bit on the net and found this information:
    Quote:
    "Indicates system has power, but the POWER_GOOD signal is not yet active".

    This is a clue, if the PG appears after more than 500ms, it may not allow the power supply to turn on. The problem is that I do not have how to measure this time, I will not connect the power supply tester, because this model has a mini ATX connector

    So I will answer myself later, because I had a great idea to connect 2 meters, one to 12V, the other to PG and record a movie, then play it frame by frame and see what is happening. I know that multimeters have a long delay, but what came out gives a certain view on the matter. So it looks like this (seconds: hundredths)
    00:00 - Power ON, 12V -> 10.25V, PG 0.0V
    00:25 - PG 4.76 V (there is a response of 250ms, it's not bad, but ...)
    00:56 - 12V -> 11.53 V (voltage stabilizes)
    00:75 - PG suddenly drops to 0.47V
    01:12 - PG goes down 0.09 V
    01:51 - PG starts to rise by 1.47 V
    01:92 - PG stabilizes at 4.95V
    It seems to me that this explains why the power supply does not pass the self-test in the computer, return to the workshop, I had to skip something.
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  • #2 18217908
    fifcio13-13
    Level 30  
    I would start by measuring PG in a good power supply. See how he behaves.
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  • #3 18218782
    lisek
    Service technician RTV
    What are your layouts? integrated into this PSU.
    Such as in this topic from this forum Link

    What IC as a watch dog?
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  • #4 18227746
    power_pc
    Level 12  
    Supervisor: WT7507
    H&L side driver: CL2181
    AC / DC: TNY280PN

    And now a curiosity. I soldered an adapter and connected the power supply to the tester.
    First, a working power supply that works in the computer:
    Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start
    PG time 0 ms ???
    PG voltage measurement 4.68 V

    And here's a power supply that won't work:
    Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start
    The only thing that puzzles me is a little too low voltage of 12V, although it is within the norm and under load it grows as I mentioned earlier.
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  • #6 18233309
    power_pc
    Level 12  
    I read it, but it clearly went up in smoke there. To be sure, I checked all the elements in question - they are ok.
  • #7 18233314
    enhanced
    Level 43  
    Maybe the capacitors you replaced? Do you have options to put them back?
  • #8 18233393
    lisek
    Service technician RTV
    Damage to either the power supply or the WT7507 SOP16 (himself or the RC parts in his vicinity)
    Quote:
    PS_ON # Signal Characteristics
    VIL, Input Low Voltage min. 0.0V, max. 0.8V
    VIH, Input High Voltage min. 2.0 V, max. 5.25V

    * :idea: Your signal is OK (usually it is 4.3V) below 3.7 >> problem
    Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start

    Quote:
    one of the most important protections (the OTP or Over-Temperature Protection) is only supported by two monitoring ICs, the SITI PS223 and the Weltrend WT7507. However, there are other ways to implement this protection and trigger one of the other protections in a monitoring IC, in order to shut down the PSU.

    About WT itself briefly on Link
    and Link
    Comparison of available systems "watchdog = supervisor" under Link

    Read the datasheet of that other system Link__ SITI PS223
    - :!: compare pin "y
    - * pin.9 PS223 OTP Over temperature protection input
    Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start
    * between IC PS223 can be opto. (1..or 2) controlling the operation of the transistors of the system start (impulse transformer on input)
    Quote:
    The Fairchild SG6520 is a direct replacement (pin2pin) for the PS223 so have a couple on order from Mouser

    SG6520 Link worked at Enermax PSU
    - there is a lot of info about him.

    Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start
    Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start

    And on the PSU ATX 250W supervisor system CCG8010DX
    - CG8010DX (= WT7520).

    Dell model: H235P-00 - after repair and computer does not start

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around a malfunctioning power supply for a Dell Optiplex 780 SFF after a repair attempt. The user replaced all capacitors and the fan in the power supply, but the computer fails to start, indicating an error (1-3) related to the power supply, motherboard, or peripheral device. Voltage measurements from the power supply appear normal under load, yet the system does not function when installed in the computer. Responses suggest checking the PG (Power Good) signal, examining the replaced capacitors, and investigating potential damage to the WT7507 supervisor IC or associated components. The user also provided voltage readings from both a working and non-working power supply, noting discrepancies in PG voltage and 12V output.
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