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Strength and power of the SAT signal - what is the strength and power of the satellite signal?

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    Delethal
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    I would like to know what is the strength and what is the power of the satellite signal?
    If I may ask, I will understand better with examples...
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    zgierzman
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    One parameter determines the signal level from the converter - let`s call it "voltage". This parameter depends on the antenna installation, cable, connectors, etc.
    The second parameter determines the quality of the received signal - this depends on the antenna setting, weather, etc.
    You can tell them apart by gently moving the antenna - without even unscrewing it, just pressing it down, up or sideways. The quality will drop, although the level will remain the same.
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    Delethal
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    In what units do we calculate the power and strength of the satellite signal?
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    zgierzman
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    Theoretically, it should probably be in dB, but I think that each tuner/decoder calculates it in its own way, so usually there is no unit ;-) , or there are some percentages...
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    LeDy
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    Where did you come up with these terms? Signal strength (you might call it power) and signal quality come into play.
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    Delethal
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    Approx. I see. So what is responsible for the signal quality?

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    Strength and power are more physical terms. At least i think so...
    What I mean is what influences the fact that the signal is transmitted in KHz, MHz and GHz
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    Delethal
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    Ok, I understood and looked around a bit. I have another question about the range of received frequencies...
    For example, I know that the decoder receives the signal in KHz.
    So what will receive a signal in MHz or GHz?

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    And what in the transmitter determines good signal quality?
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    zgierzman
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    Delethal wrote:
    For example, I know that the decoder receives the signal in KHz.


    Small "k" - kHz!

    Very roughly speaking, the satellite signal is transmitted at a frequency of 10 - 12 GHz
    The converter at the antenna changes this frequency to 1 - 2 GHz, and this frequency is received by the decoder.
    https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konwerter_satalne

    FM radio (Zetka, Trójka, RMF) broadcasts in the frequency range 87.5 - 108 MHz, and during the communist period the frequencies were 65.5-74.0 MHz.
    Remote controls for gates and cars are usually 433 MHz

    In terms of kHz, this is roughly the range of long waves. Radio One used to broadcast there, but I don`t know if any station still broadcasts there.

    You can say that the decoder receives the signal in kilohertz (kHz), but it is 1000000 (million) kHz :-D
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    Delethal
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    Cool thanks. I have the last question:
    When we increase the transmitting frequency (e.g. instead of transmitting in kHZ we transmit in MHz or GHz) do we have to use a larger transmitter? I mean specifically the hardware requirements.
    Will the transmitter become larger as the frequency of the transmitted signal increases?
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    Delethal
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    Cool! Thank you!

Topic summary

✨ The discussion focuses on the strength and power of satellite signals, emphasizing the distinction between signal level (voltage) and signal quality, which is influenced by factors such as antenna installation, weather, and interference. Signal power is typically measured in dBm (decibels relative to milliwatts) or mW (milliwatts), while signal strength is often a colloquial term used interchangeably with power. The quality of the signal is assessed through parameters like signal-to-noise ratio (S/N) and bit error rate (BER). The conversation also covers the frequency ranges for satellite signals, with typical transmission frequencies around 10-12 GHz, and the role of components such as antennas, frequency converters, and decoders in receiving and processing these signals. Additionally, the impact of frequency on transmitter size and power requirements is discussed, noting that higher frequencies may necessitate larger transmitters due to increased power needs and signal attenuation.
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TL;DR: Typical SAT downlink runs at 10–12 GHz; "The converter at the antenna changes this frequency to 1 - 2 GHz". This FAQ explains strength vs quality, units, frequencies, and quick fixes. [Elektroda, zgierzman, post #18425836]

Why it matters: For SAT TV users and installers who need to read receiver meters correctly and fix "no signal" fast.

Quick Facts

What do "signal strength" and "signal quality" on my SAT receiver actually mean?

Strength is the received RF power at the tuner. Many decoders label this as “strength.” Quality reflects how clean the signal is. It depends on noise and errors in the digital stream. Technicians judge quality using S/N and BER. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18425131]

In what units is satellite signal power measured?

RF power is measured in dBm or mW. Receivers often convert this into a user-friendly “strength” bar. That bar represents power, not quality. Use meters or specs that report dBm for comparability. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18425131]

Why do receivers show percentages with no units for "strength"?

Each tuner vendor computes the strength meter differently. Many show a percent instead of a physical unit. There is no standard unit for the on-screen strength bar. Treat it as relative, not absolute. [Elektroda, zgierzman, post #18424653]

What affects signal level versus signal quality?

Level depends on your installation: dish size, LNB, cable, and connectors. Quality depends on alignment, atmospheric conditions, and link margin. Pressing the dish slightly will drop quality while level barely changes. This indicates misalignment or weather impact. [Elektroda, zgierzman, post #18424613]

What frequency do satellite TV signals use, and what does my decoder see?

Satellite broadcasts arrive around 10–12 GHz. The LNB downconverts them to about 1–2 GHz IF. "The converter at the antenna changes this frequency to 1 - 2 GHz." Your decoder processes that IF. [Elektroda, zgierzman, post #18425836]

What device actually receives MHz or GHz in a SAT setup?

The dish and LNB handle the GHz-range satellite signal. The LNB converts it to a lower IF that the decoder or a spectrum analyzer can accept. The decoder then demodulates the stream. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18426024]

Can a decoder connect directly to the dish without an external LNB?

Some receivers integrate the frequency converter. In that case, you can connect the antenna directly to the receiver input. Most consumer SAT setups use an external LNB. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18426024]

How can I quickly check if dish alignment is the reason for low quality?

Try this simple test:
  1. Note your receiver’s level and quality readings.
  2. Gently press the dish up, down, left, or right without loosening it.
  3. If quality drops while level stays similar, alignment or weather is the issue. [Elektroda, zgierzman, post #18424613]

Does higher transmit frequency mean I need a bigger transmitter?

Size depends on RF generation technology and required power. Higher power generally means larger hardware. At higher frequencies, free-space loss rises, so you often need more transmit power. That can increase the transmitter’s size or demands. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18426098]

What determines good signal quality at the transmitter side?

Transmitter construction sets baseline quality. "Transmitter design, simply put." However, most degradation happens over the path and inside the receiver. Focus on alignment, cabling, and receiver performance first. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18426024]

What are examples of MHz uses outside satellite TV?

FM radio uses 87.5–108 MHz. Older OIRT FM used 65.5–74.0 MHz. Gate and car remotes often work at 433 MHz. Longwave services use kHz, not MHz. [Elektroda, zgierzman, post #18425836]

What do S/N and BER numbers tell me, and what is "good"?

S/N is the signal-to-noise ratio; higher means cleaner reception. BER is the bit error rate of the digital stream. For an ideal signal, “BER = 0.” Lower BER means better quality. Aim for stable low BER at your target transponders. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18425131]

Why does bad weather reduce quality even when strength looks fine?

Quality metrics react to alignment and atmospheric effects. Rain, snow, or slight mispointing lowers quality before level visibly changes. That is why storms cause pixelation with “normal” strength bars. Recheck alignment after severe weather. [Elektroda, zgierzman, post #18424613]

Example: What IF might my decoder see from an 11.508 GHz transponder?

One example chain is: antenna receives 11.508 GHz. The LNB converts it to 1.758 GHz. The decoder processes the 1.758 GHz IF input. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18426024]
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