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Huawei SUN2000-KTL-MO inverter. What energy storage will be the best.

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  • #1 19134456
    Jaskor111
    Level 4  
    I have a photovoltaic installation with a power of 5.175 kW on 15 345 W panels and a Huawei SUN 2000-5 / KTL-MO inverter which has an interface for charging the battery. I am going to install such a battery, but in the instructions available on the HUAWEI website I cannot find the charging parameters and the method of connecting these devices. Maybe someone installed batteries for this inverter and knows the topic? The installers who installed the panels and the inverter have no idea in this topic, so I am asking for the opinion of people who know the issue.
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  • #2 19134513
    Cytro12
    Level 26  
    Since it is not in the manual, maybe it's just a dummy, how can anyone know what hjujawej means? Maybe send an inquiry to the manufacturer for parameters.
  • #3 19134654
    ksysju
    Level 15  
    As an example, LG Chem RESU 7H_R / 10H_R is given, i.e. high voltage 350-450V
  • #4 19134851
    prose
    Level 35  
    Jaskor111 wrote:
    Maybe someone installed batteries for this inverter and knows the topic? The installers who installed the panels and the inverter have no idea in this topic, so I am asking for the opinion of people who know the issue.

    You will not connect a battery to this inverter.
  • #5 19134971
    Jaskor111
    Level 4  
    Have you tried and it can't be connected? Or do you think "it's impossible"?

    Added after 8 [minutes]:

    ksysju wrote:
    As an example, LG Chem RESU 7H_R / 10H_R are given, i.e. high voltage 350-450V

    In the meantime, I read that the Huawei LUNA 2000-5-50 battery may also be compatible with this inverter, but I still do not know the inverter charging parameters.
  • #6 19135189
    prose
    Level 35  
    @ Jaskor111 There was a mistake, you can install the batteries, on the Huawei inverter + LG battery = 6.6 kW is max, 500 V.
    Huawei SUN2000-KTL-MO inverter. What energy storage will be the best.
    Huawei SUN2000-KTL-MO inverter. What energy storage will be the best.
  • #7 19135491
    strucel
    Level 35  
    In the first quarter of 2021, a firmware update for the M0 series inverters is to be released (of course, it only applies to those intended for cooperation with energy storage with BAT marked sockets), thanks to which it will be possible to connect the Huawei LUNA2000 magazine, which seems to be debuting in Europe at the beginning of December, a much better option than LG's product, first of all cells in the luna, is LiFePO4, there is probably a 10-year warranty on the warehouse, and besides, with LG it is pointless to limit the maximum string voltage to 500V, which limits the maximum power of the inverter.


    If you enter "huawei luna2000" in google, you will read more about it, they will not rewrite the manufacturer's materials without any sense, I only signaled the most important advantages over LG for me, I don't know what the price in Poland will be.
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  • #8 19136694
    Jaskor111
    Level 4  
    I found this battery on the Spanish site merkasol.com. The 5kW battery was sold at a price of EUR 2.400. I wanted to buy it because the price seemed affordable, but regarding the transport, I had to send an inquiry to the seller. I sent an e-mail and so far there is no answer, but the price jumped to EUR 3.369. These are the things that happen.
  • #9 19163163
    dprzyb
    Level 22  
    Did you get any answer?
  • #10 19163955
    Jaskor111
    Level 4  
    As for the reply to the e-mail from Spain, I did not get a reply about the transport or the price. Apparently they are not interested in shipping to Poland.
  • #11 19186210
    franek_firanek
    Level 4  
    Now I have seen this magazine for 4.5kEUR. You had to go for it by car as it was for 2.5kEUR ;)
    Seriously speaking, how do you calculate the storage capacity that is enough for you?
  • #13 19290487
    tomziom1
    Level 1  
    Hello
    Have you contacted the njuskalo store with the link regarding Luna 2000 magazine? I am also interested in this product.

    Regards
  • #14 19593872
    cegreg
    Level 11  
    I raise the topic.
    Or maybe someone found a more economical solution than luna?
  • #15 19630540
    McTommy
    Level 10  
    Hi,
    A few times I approached the topic of selecting the size of the battery for installation.
    And I'm not entirely sure about my own methodology.
    At the beginning of. I have no data on the hourly consumption so I leave the electricity bill. Monthly consumption 400kWh. Gas heating. LED lighting. Plus you know an induction hob, dishwasher, iron, kettle, etc. And yes. The kettle has a power of 2kW. It is turned on after 4 p.m. 4-5 times for three minutes. And so on. And I think this is absurd because the minute-second-hour conversion plus summing up all light sources will give us a certain number of kW. But when we check the electricity bills, summer - 370kWh, winter - 420kWh show that in autumn and winter we use 50kWh more. In addition, we can assume that 50% of energy is used after dusk and in winter we add 50kWh per month. So for winter we need 175 + 50kWh = 225 kWh per day. I assume that we use an additional 50kWh after dusk. We divide into 30 days and we have 7.5 kWh.
    Plus a small reserve, it gives us an 8kW battery.
    And let's say half the calculations because:
    We select photovoltaics for this. For simplicity, according to the current rules. Theoretically, 6kWp should be enough. But are you sure? The battery will not be charged in winter, so we will use the network anyway. And in order to make an island, it would be necessary to choose an installation that produces a minimum of 7.5 kWh per day. And it is hardly possible because from November to February, i.e. 4 months, the installation will produce only 14-15% of the annual yield, i.e. 780kWh. Divided into 120 days, it gives us 6.5 kWh per day. But we also have the usual daily consumption of 6kWh. So a total of 12.5kWh. So for island operation with an 8kW battery, we need a 12kWp installation.
    All the time I have the impression that I made a mistake in my calculations somewhere. I do not look at summer overproduction because I am thinking of a typical island in a building not connected to the network. Such an academic example.
    Toss in some insights :-)
    greetings
    Thomas
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  • #17 19751900
    gmacko
    Level 15  
    McTommy wrote:
    I do not look at summer overproduction because I am thinking of a typical island in a building not connected to the network. Such an academic example.


    It is not possible to make an island everywhere. In the area of Poland, where there is no sun for 2-3 months a year, building an island is pointless. Economically poorly justified. Too high costs have to be incurred to provide 100% solar energy in off-grid. Similarly, in Northern Finland, where it is dark for six months, no one will come up with the idea of building an island with PV only.

    The operation of the warehouse in the on grid also benefits. You are not fully independent, but during these 80% of the days of the year, you can charge and use the energy with the battery in the evenings and at night every 24 hours.
    Expanding the system for these 20% days of the year will consume too much funds to pay for itself, unless someone has access to the equipment for free. But it also makes no sense because it will be more profitable to sell this excess equipment and invest in something other than to keep off-grid at all costs.

    Even if there is no production from panels, you can still charge the battery at a cheap rate and use energy from the warehouse at an expensive one. You know, the differences are not big, but we still maximize the benefit of having a warehouse, even as the forecast says there will be no sun.

    For a prosumer with a warehouse in ZE and for those who have a lot of space for panels, magazines do not make sense.
    The situation is different as we do not have space for 10, 20, 30kWP and there is no more warehouse in ZE.

    - We consume an average of 8kWh per day.
    - we invest in a 10kWh warehouse.
    - we assume PV 5kWp,
    - we drive from PV for 70% of the days of the year, charging it during the day and consuming it after sunset.
    - for 30% of days a year, we charge in the 2nd tariff, use the expensive one (you only have to predict the day before that there will be no sun during the day and charge the warehouse cheaper)

    Of course, this does not ensure that we will not draw any power from the grid at any point during the day. by loading the phases with equipment consuming temporarily more than the PV + battery provides, we will always take energy from the EV.
  • #18 19752346
    mcgregory
    Level 12  
    Gentlemen, magazines are such a gadget, provided that someone will finance it for us. 8 days of December have passed and PV 9kW produced 14kW in the center of Poland. What will you feed the warehouse, for example, as you write 5kW, so that only 3.5 kW can be recovered from it (LUNA catalog). The representative selling Huaweia said that Western neighbors were forced to buy such warehouses because they had to pay a high bill for 1 kWh (0.35E) !!!!
    With earnings of 2400E, they pay 0.35E, we with earnings of 2800 PLN, we pay 0.67 PLN. Who pays more ?????
    I do not know how much it costs to install 1kWp PV, but it seems to me that the warehouse does not cost half the value of the entire installation.
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  • #20 19768696
    szulc1988
    Level 11  
    I have a 6kw huawei SUN2000 KTL-M1 installation and wanting to add an energy storage, not only are there batteries with a 5kw controller for 20,000, you need to add an energy meter for 1000 500 assembly, you had to prevent the inverter from giving electricity to the network from batteries. And as it seems to me, you would still need to add a special relay (some BOX) so that the inverter gives electricity to the house and not to the grid (off-grid), where the costs are again :( . I am thinking of adding a small 3kw off-grid 1-phase installation to power devices at home during the winter with low power consumption, and in the summer to add others depending on consumption. such installation is much cheaper and you can do it yourself.
  • #21 19768741
    gmacko
    Level 15  
    But what do you want to power through the winter with a 3kW installation, because I did not understand?
    After all, 3kW will not produce you anything in the winter, unless you live in Sicily.
  • #22 19893552
    maciacho
    Level 11  
    I was wondering about it too, but is it not better to connect an ordinary large battery for 2,000? Than Lune? Luna 5kw 10.000 PLN for this luna must be battery control. For PLN 5,000 and you can connect it yourself because it's just plugs. Aku 5kW is enough to boil water in the kettle for 2 hours. The yield from this will probably be at the level of 5% per annum. It's for stupid people. I wonder if someone connected to these Bat outputs. some aku not lune? At the exit of the whip. It is 567V DC but I have not checked the amps because I do not want to cause a short circuit so that I do not make an electric arc. So instead of spending 5k on control and 10k on loose, you can buy 2 batteries from a large-capacity tractor and some driver that will manage it, but I do not know if something like that, because you probably set options in the inverter settings and communicate via RS.
  • #23 19899942
    Sebasaj2
    Level 11  
    Except for the question of whether it is possible to exit the whip. connect a battery, I wonder if having batteries, in the absence of voltage from the network, the inverter will provide electricity (is it from the panels or the battery)? So is it possible to make a UPS out of it?
  • #24 19903562
    Adam$
    Level 10  
    Hello,

    I will connect to the topic. I have a SUN2000-6KTL-M1 inverter. Originally I was thinking about using it to work off-grid in the absence of electricity in the network, but after counting the costs of Luna + driver + Box, I recovered. Because the inverter is protected against burying and connecting other than the original ones. Luna communicates digitally with the inverter, so connecting another base is not that easy.

    A more interesting option is the use of a second inverter + batteries. I would like to buy 3000W for continuous operation. Because at home, more is not used. Unless someone has some lathes. And here I wonder if it would be possible to connect the AC output of a single phase inverter to the mains input of my SUN2000-6KTL-M1 3F inverter. In one phase I wanted to simulate the network to fire up the SUN2000-6KTL-M1. So I would have to separate this one phase into two more. Just like, for example, you connect a 3-phase motor from one phase. I hope I have described it clearly.
  • #25 19904756
    przemo3737
    Level 1  
    I connect to the topic. I just want to excite the inverter. I don't need a magazine.
  • #26 19907107
    Sebasaj2
    Level 11  
    If it is, as maciacho wrote, that at the exit of the whip is the voltage, maybe the inverter simply transmits voltage from the panels? And in org. Lunie is a regulator and a rectifier?
  • #27 19908753
    Adam$
    Level 10  
    Adam$ wrote:
    Hello,

    I will connect to the topic. I have a SUN2000-6KTL-M1 inverter. Originally I was thinking about using it to work off-grid in the absence of electricity in the network, but after counting the costs of Luna + driver + Box, I recovered. Because the inverter is protected against burying and connecting other than the original ones. Luna communicates digitally with the inverter, so connecting another base is not that easy.

    A more interesting option is the use of a second inverter + batteries. I would like to buy 3000W for continuous operation. Because at home, more is not used. Unless someone has some lathes. And here I wonder if it would be possible to connect the AC output of a single phase inverter to the mains input of my SUN2000-6KTL-M1 3F inverter. In one phase I wanted to simulate the network to fire up the SUN2000-6KTL-M1. So I would have to separate this one phase into two more. Just like, for example, you connect a 3-phase motor from one phase. I hope I have described it clearly.



    I had one more idea. I am thinking of buying a second inverter for my set of 16 longi nap panels. open circuit (STC) 41.10V * 16 = 657V. which will only work in the OFF grid. So if I am blackout, I switch the chebles and connect the panels to my second inverter which will power my house and charge the battery, but when I look at the documentation of inverters in the OFF grid, most of them are up to 500V PV. Does anyone have any knowledge about what inverter would give advice here? It doesn't have to be 3 phase. It can be single-phase, but it is important that the output is pure sine and at least 3000KW.

    If you could not buy such an inverter, you can make a tap on the string. So 11 panels for the second off grid inverter so as not to exceed 500V DC. The only question is whether there will be any currents induced on the unconnected thread with the remaining 5 panels. I am thinking about this option because if I divided the circuit of 16 panels into two strings of 8 panels, the production efficiency will be lower than with 16 panels on one string to the On grid inverter.

    Drawing as I would see it .:

    Huawei SUN2000-KTL-MO inverter. What energy storage will be the best.
  • #28 19916209
    aikd
    Level 2  
    I connect to the question. A similar situation for me, because two pages of 12 and 13 panels, but it's still too many. And while for ongrid inverters the operating point is about 600-700V, for offgrid the maximum allowable voltage is 500V in the equipment I found. What does it come from?
  • #29 20054145
    przemekaftykaa1
    Level 6  
    gmacko wrote:
    But what do you want to power through the winter with a 3kW installation, because I did not understand?
    After all, 3kW will not produce you anything in the winter, unless you live in Sicily.

    I would add a windmill and then there is a chance ... ;-)
  • #30 20150303
    gamemaniak
    Level 11  
    Hello,
    I'll connect too. Generally, in order for the Huawei inverter to work with batteries, it must be a LUNA control module that has RS485 communication with the inverter. Only such a connection will ensure the possibility of mixed or complete off-grid operation. However, I have an idea to connect the Luna control module to the inverter for about PLN 5,000, but the batteries should be installed, for example, from a used electric car. What do you think about this solution?

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the compatibility of energy storage solutions with the Huawei SUN2000-KTL-MO inverter, specifically regarding the installation of batteries. Users express concerns about the lack of charging parameters in the Huawei documentation and share experiences with various battery options. The Huawei LUNA 2000-5-50 battery is mentioned as a potential compatible option, with discussions highlighting its advantages over LG Chem batteries. Users also explore alternative solutions, including the possibility of using batteries from electric vehicles and the need for additional components like a Backup Box for off-grid functionality. The conversation emphasizes the importance of communication between the inverter and the battery system for effective operation.
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