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[Solved] Configuring Wake on Wan via UPC's ConnectBox router without DDNS

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  • #1 19668596
    Quarharth
    Level 5  
    Hello, I came up with the idea of running myself a wake on lan remotely (via the internet and not the local network), I started with Wake on Lan, of course, I managed to configure it, without too much trouble, I used the WolOn(Wake On Lan app for Android) I entered myself the necessary ip addresses, mac, etc etc etc etc. as I turn off the computer, I can turn it on from the application (with my phone) by literally clicking one button, the only requirement is that the computer has power (quite logical), so in short if I do not turn off the power strip then I can turn it on with the application, however the problem arises when I try to start it via WAN, I read some instructions, watched some tutorials on YT, etc., however the problem is that I have a standard router from UPC, ie. some connectbox which does not have a ddns configuration (which most tutorials recommend) the other option I tried is to run anydesk, if anyone does not know what this program is, in short you connect remotely via id and work on someone else's computer, it too has the option to turn on the computer remotely, however, in the LAN must be at least one computer on, so in order to turn on the computer, the other computer must be running (which is not logical for me), I also looked at other tutorials and instructions, but I could not find anything specific, I can only add that the idea is to run the computer remotely (eg. without wi-fi, on cellular data transmission), so that the computer is off (not some kind of sleep, hibernation or the like) and moreover to do it at the lowest possible cost, I'm planning to buy some raspberry pi, which I will probably set myself as a server, or at least try to arrange something like that, and at the moment my router is not manageable and I can not run the computer from outside the local network, when it comes to working on the computer I can use the anydesk already mentioned, so it's just a matter of pure booting, maybe someone has some idea how to configure some application, some vpn to connect remotely, I would ask for some suggestions, I would only mention that I am just getting into these issues so please in relatively simple language :) .
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  • #2 19668659
    m.jastrzebski
    Network and Internet specialist  
    Quarharth wrote:
    Hello, I came up with the idea of running myself a wake on lan remotely (via the internet and not the local network), I started with Wake on Lan, of course, I managed to set it up, without too much trouble, I used the WolOn(Wake On Lan app for Android) I entered myself the necessary ip addresses, mac, etc etc etc etc. as I turn off the computer, I can turn it on from the application (with my phone) by literally clicking one button, the only requirement is that the computer has power (quite logical), so in short if I do not turn off the power strip then I can turn it on with the application, however the problem arises when I try to start it via WAN, I read some instructions, watched some tutorials on YT, etc., however the problem is that I have a standard router from UPC, ie. some connectbox which does not have a ddns configuration (which most tutorials recommend) the other option I tried is to run anydesk, if anyone does not know what this program is, in short you connect remotely via id and work on someone else's computer, it too has the option to turn on the computer remotely, however, in the LAN must be at least one computer on, so in order to turn on the computer, the other computer must be running (which is not logical for me), I also looked at other tutorials and instructions, but I could not find anything specific, I can only add that the idea is to run the computer remotely (eg. without wi-fi, on cellular data transmission), so that the computer is off (not some kind of sleep state, hibernation or the like) and moreover to do it at the lowest possible cost, I'm planning to buy some raspberry pi, which I will probably set myself as a server, or at least try to arrange something like that, and at the moment my router is not manageable and I can not run the computer from outside the local network, when it comes to working on the computer I can use the already mentioned anydesk, so it's just a matter of pure commissioning, maybe someone has some idea how to configure some application, some vpn to connect remotely, I would ask for some suggestions, I will only mention that I am just getting into these issues so please in relatively simple language :)

    First, determine whether you get a public address on the router from the provider. If you have a private one, then for any data packet to reach it from outside, you need a VPN. If you have a public address, you can try putting the provider's router into bridge mode, and put your own behind it that supports DDNS and Wakeon WAN.
  • #3 19668677
    Quarharth
    Level 5  
    m.jastrzebski wrote:
    Quarharth wrote:
    Hello, I came up with the idea of running myself a wake on lan remotely (via the internet and not the local network), I started with Wake on Lan, of course, I managed to set it up, without too much trouble, I used the WolOn(Wake On Lan app for Android) I entered myself the necessary ip addresses, mac, etc etc etc. as I turn off the computer, I can turn it on from the application (with my phone) by literally clicking one button, the only requirement is that the computer has power (quite logical), so in short if I do not turn off the power strip then I can turn it on with the application, but the problem arises when I try to start it via WAN, I read some instructions, watched some tutorials on YT, etc., but the problem is that I have a standard router from UPC, ie. some connectbox which does not have a ddns configuration (which most tutorials recommend) the other option I tried is to run anydesk, if anyone does not know what this program is, in short you connect remotely via id and work on someone else's computer, it too has the option to turn on the computer remotely, however, in the LAN must be at least one computer on, so in order to turn on the computer, the other computer must be running (which is not logical for me), I also looked at other tutorials and instructions, but I could not find anything specific, I can only add that the idea is to run the computer remotely (eg. without wi-fi, on cellular data transmission), so that the computer is off (not some kind of sleep state, hibernation or the like) and moreover to do it at the lowest possible cost, I'm planning to buy some raspberry pi, which I will probably set myself as a server, or at least try to arrange something like that, and at the moment my router is not manageable and I can not run the computer from outside the local network, when it comes to working on the computer I can use the already mentioned anydesk, so it's just a matter of pure commissioning, maybe someone has some idea how to configure some application, some vpn to connect remotely, I would ask for some suggestions, I will only mention that I am just getting into these issues so please in relatively simple language :)

    First, determine whether you get a public address on the router from the provider. If you have a private one, then for any data packet to reach it from outside, you need a VPN. If you have a public address, you can try to put the provider's router into bridge mode, and put your own behind it that supports DDNS and Wakeon WAN.
    I didn't mention this - I got myself an external fixed IP not long ago, while as for the router, I don't have my own at the moment, so I'm looking for other options :/.
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  • #4 19668684
    jdubowski
    Tube devices specialist  
    Quarharth wrote:
    and so in order to turn on a computer, another computer must be running (which is not logical to me)


    This is logical - the magic WoL launch packet is not routable, it is sent to the physical (MAC) address of the interface. Therefore, you need at least one computer on the network turned on, it may be something smaller than a bar of soap but it has to be, the alternative is a router capable of sending a WoL packet.

    m.jastrzebski wrote:
    If you have a private one, then in order for any data packet to reach it from outside, you need a VPN



    And this on top of the VPN server must be on the public Internet, to it must be connected a client from the internal network and a client on the device from which you want to control.
  • #5 19668688
    m.jastrzebski
    Network and Internet specialist  
    Quarharth wrote:
    I didn't mention it - not long ago I got myself an external fixed IP, while as for the router I don't have my own at the moment, so I'm looking for other options :/
    It's he most important you didn't mention. If you have a fixed external IP, you don't need DDNS. You always get to the router by IP address. You need DDNS when your IP is external but changeable. Then you can get to it by name (which is translated into this variable IP).
    I assume that the router from the vendor is able to at least forward ports?
    Then you put something behind the router that can do this - the cheapest old router for 50PLN, which will receive data by IP and send WOL.
    Cheaper than a Raspberry is, for example, mAP lite. A new router for 100PLN, for sure you can implement this on mim with some script.
  • #6 19668723
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist  
    Quarharth wrote:
    I have a standard router from UPC, i.e. some connectbox which has no ddns configuration
    Of course the CB has DDNS configuration.
    Quarharth wrote:
    I recently got myself an external fixed IP


    The fixed IP at UPC is only for the company.
    Detail has a public IP, but variable.
    Quarharth wrote:
    At the moment my router is not manageable
    UPC, in its modem routers, does not block access to the settings of these.

    Have you got IPv6 active in the CB? - If so, disable through the operator's hotline with the consultant.
  • #7 19669730
    Quarharth
    Level 5  
    KOCUREK1970 wrote:
    Of course CB has DDNS configuration.
    I don't see such an option with me, maybe it's in the 1GB version where you get a better router, personally I haven't found such an option, but if you are able to prove that such an option exists, I would appreciate it
    KOCUREK1970 wrote:
    Permanent IP in UPC is only for the company.
    Detail has a public IP but variable.
    I've heard that too, while I have an external IPv4, after calling UPC, I've been checking for 3-4 days what IP is assigned and it's exactly the same, I doubt they have it changed weekly or something like that.
    KOCUREK1970 wrote:
    Do you have active IPv6 in CB? - if yes, turn it off through the operator's helpline at the consultant.
    I had IPv6 before contacting UPC, currently it shows IPv4, if I can somehow check if I have IPv6 active, please let me know, by the way question, why is it important to turn it off?
  • #8 19669782
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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  • #9 19669788
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist  
    Quarharth wrote:
    for 3-4 days I've been checking what ip is assigned and it's exactly the same, I doubt they have it changed every week or something like that.
    Because that's how it works with them with this variable IP - you can have a variable IP the same 2 years, and you can have a variable IP every day, there's no rule.
    Quarharth wrote:
    if I can somehow verify that I have ipv6 active, please let me know

    :arrow: https://test-ipv6.com
    :arrow: https://ipv6-test.com
    Quarharth wrote:
    a question, by the way, why is it important to turn this off?
    IPv6 is a forward-looking addressing, and that means that for today it's more of a problem than a benefit.
  • #10 19670772
    Quarharth
    Level 5  
    KOCUREK1970 wrote:
    https://test-ipv6.com
    https://ipv6-test.com

    ipv6 not available, not detectable, such messages display.

    Erbit wrote:
    Link

    I watched this video, while there is a ddns configuration that I can't find on my current router (from upc)
  • #11 19670826
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #12 19670963
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist  
    Quarharth wrote:
    ipv6 not available, not detectable, such messages it displays.
    That is correct, IPv6 you have disabled.
    Quarharth wrote:
    there is a ddns configuration there, which I can't find on my current router (from upc)
    What software version do you have on the modem?
  • #13 19674005
    Quarharth
    Level 5  
    KOCUREK1970 wrote:
    What software version do you have on the modem?
    I'm not sure if it's useful, but I'll toss in the rest of the versions by the way
    Standard specification compliant : DOCSIS 3.0
    Hardware version : 5.01
    Software version : CH7465LG-NCIP-6.15.30-1p6-NOSH

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    Erbit wrote:
    Why do you need DDNS if you claim to have a fixed address ? In the program, specify IP instead of DDNS domain name.

    I don't want to configure DDNS, I'm just responding to a colleague's video, and as for the fixed ip, it's probably dynamic but changed much less often, anyway the point is that even when I set it to the current ip it doesn't want me to work wake on wan, that's why I'm looking for some advice, maybe I'm doing something wrong :P .
  • #14 19674086
    Anonymous
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  • #15 19674175
    Quarharth
    Level 5  
    Erbit wrote:
    Quarharth wrote:
    anyway the point is that even when I set it to current IP it doesn't want wake on WAN to work, that's why I'm looking for some advice, maybe I'm doing something wrong


    If you did according to this video then two things are important there in the Android app used:
    - select the WAN tab
    - enter the correct MAC address (of the computer to be woken up and not the router)

    Other than that, set UDP port 9 forwarding to the correct local IP address.

    Tested, it works for me.

    Thanks for your help, I don't know what was wrong, maybe I messed something up, maybe I did something wrong, but I tried again and it went normally, a little funny thing, thanks again to everyone involved :) .
  • #16 19674276
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist  
    Quarharth wrote:
    Software version : CH7465LG-NCIP-6.15.30-1p6-NOSH
    As far as I can tell, DDNS is already implemented in this sofet.
  • #17 19675606
    Quarharth
    Level 5  
    KOCUREK1970 wrote:
    Quarharth wrote:
    Software version : CH7465LG-NCIP-6.15.30-1p6-NOSH

    As a matter of fact, it is in this software already implemented DDNS.


    Can you then illuminate for me where to look for this option, is it hidden somewhere, do I not know about something, I am asking purely for information, for the moment this option is not useful to me, but it is worth finding out :)

    Added after 1 [hour] 20 [minutes]:

    I'm back with a problem, when I turn off the computer, I am able to turn it on, both via lan and wan, so I assumed everything is ok, however if I turn off the power strip (and of course turn it back on) it no longer works either via lan or wan, I have read a bit about power states etc, but I assumed that if I can wake it up after shutting it down then it is ok (not after sleeping) however today I noticed such a problem, any ideas?
  • #18 19675928
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #19 19675936
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist  
    Quarharth wrote:
    Can you then illuminate for me where to look for this option, is it tucked away somewhere or am I unaware of something, I'm asking purely for information, for the moment this option is of no use to me, but it is worth to find out :)

    I was too forward-looking (although at one time in the topic about GCB GigaConnect Box I also wrote that there is no DDNS and after a week there was a software update and already appeared DDNS). - DDNS has GigaConnect Box Arris and Hitron Chita
    So don't lose hope
    Today there was a new soft update for CB: CH7465LG-NCIP-6.15.31p1-NOSH
    Quarharth wrote:
    on the other hand, if I turn off the power strip (and turn it back on, of course) it no longer works either via lan or wan,

    Only that when you boot the computer it goes through the entire BIOS, and starts the individual components.
    When you turn it off but leave the voltage on, the BIOS is still backed up from the previous startup.
    And when you completely cut it off from power, the BIOS is not running, so the computer components are not on standby either.
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  • #20 19676120
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #21 19676225
    KOCUREK1970
    Network and Internet specialist  
    @Erbit
    It's like this:
    - when I fire up the power on the strip, only the speed LED works and shows 1Gb, the link activity LED does not work (WoL then at me does not work),
    - when I fire up the computer and turn it off, but the strip still gives voltage, the 1Gb speed LED and the link activity LED is lit (WoL then at me works).
    Maybe it also depends on the BIOS settings of the power supply in the option of what the computer is supposed to do in case of loss of power, or reconnecting the power supply, etc., I did not delve into this - what I gave above works at my place, I did not pursue the topic further and left it as it is.
  • #22 19676264
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #23 19676433
    Quarharth
    Level 5  
    I see various options are possible, so do you have suggestions on how to go about it? I took a quick glance at the bios, but there are so no specific options other than a general will. Am I able to somehow work around this? Of course, I don't have to turn off the power strip, although I usually do. However, even if I don't turn it off, I assume that with a temporary power outage I won't boot the pc anyway :/.
  • #24 19676435
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #25 19676501
    Quarharth
    Level 5  
    Erbit wrote:
    Quarharth wrote:
    am I somehow able to work around this,
    If there is nothing in the BIOS then nothing will be done.

    I understand you checked the status of the LEDs in the network card when WoL is running and when it is not running and a few seconds after the power comes back on ?


    I haven't had a chance yet, I understand that after turning off the computer to check if the LEDs are on and after powering off completely?
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    Anonymous
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  • #27 19700995
    Quarharth
    Level 5  
    I gave up on these settings, I will buy a server and put everything I want on it :D .
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The discussion revolves around configuring Wake on WAN (WoW) using a UPC ConnectBox router without Dynamic DNS (DDNS). The user successfully set up Wake on LAN (WoL) but faced challenges when trying to wake the computer remotely over the internet. Key points include the necessity of having a public IP address, port forwarding (UDP port 9), and the requirement for at least one device to remain powered on within the network. Several users suggested using a secondary router that supports DDNS and WoL, as well as checking BIOS settings for Wake on LAN functionality. The conversation also touched on the implications of power states and the behavior of different hardware when power is restored. Ultimately, the user found a solution after troubleshooting and received various suggestions regarding router capabilities and settings.
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