Two models of Delonghi coffee machines: PrimaDonna Soul ECAM 610.55.SB or PrimaD

Hello and welcome.
I am at the stage of choosing a coffee machine, I have a budget of about PLN 5,500 and found two models
DELONGHI PrimaDonna Soul ECAM 610.55.SB espresso machine
Coffee machine DELONGHI PrimaDonna Elite ECAM 650.85.MS
What I really like about this company is that the milk container is a completely separate system. What would you recommend in this price range? Visually, however, I like the Jura espresso machines the most.
Thanks in advance for any advice.

With the DeLonghi, you mainly pay for a nicer case and display. A more expensive one will not work better and longer, because the center (body, grinder, heaters, mechanism, brewer) in each ECAM with a milk container is exactly the same. You pay for a better/prettier casing and a double-walled milk container that actually reduces its capacity.
A cheaper equivalent of the models you provide will be e.g. ECAM 350.55
The letters at the end of the model indicate color only.

When it comes to durability and failure rate, it is similar. Both after a few years / 5-6 thousand coffees require more thorough maintenance of mechanics and replacement of seals to avoid a more serious failure.

Delonghi repairs usually cost pennies after the warranty.
Jura will hurt financially and in the case of replacement of parts, you have to reckon with the repair amount of 1-2 thousand. zloty.

Thank you very much for your help, but I would like to go crazy for the first time while I can afford it, if you had a choice between these two machines, which one would you advise? Unless it was from another company with a separate milk container, not a tube.

In fact, among high-end coffee machines, only DeLonghi uses a milk container, and the others use a hose to be placed in a milk carton or in a dedicated container.

From other companies, I would also look at Saeco Xelsis, ultimately Krups Intuition.

Then there's the matter of coffee flavor. The same coffee will taste different in coffee machines of different companies.
It will be the strongest in Jura and Krups coffee machines. The weakest/mildest in Delonghi. Saeco/Philips right in the middle.

Do you really want to spend over $5,000? PLN for a machine that will not make two milk coffees at the same time, in which you have to turn the knob to change the foam, or clean the foaming system, and finally you have to hide the milk container somewhere in the fridge and wash it preferably every day? Completely meaningless to me.

Krups evidence from PLN 2,000 will make two milk coffees and take up almost no space on the countertop compared to the competition. It is true that it requires removing the casing from time to time and doing basic "cleaning", but it's the same with Jura.

Saeco GranAroma from PLN 3,000. There are already goodies in the menu (if someone likes to have a lot of settings) and a brewer with a service that everyone can handle: you open the door, remove the entire brewer, wash, dry and it's ready. A little grease every now and then.

I will not mention the rest, because when I see drainage valves in melitts/nivons and a bizarre, jamming brewer in Siemens, I wonder who designed it and why.

P.S. And something that can't be beat. Coffee grinder with one (!!!) siemens eq.3 burr.

What do you recommend in this price range?

You have to decide for yourself which of the previously mentioned ones suits you best visually and functionally.
We definitely do not recommend: Siemens/Bosch, Nivona, Melitta.

I like Jura the most visually, but someone mentioned above that they are terribly expensive if there is a failure. DeLonghi's probably have the best coffee and cleaning options.

There is no such thing as "the best" in coffee machines. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. But if the look, functions and handling of the Delonghi suit you, then you should be happy with your choice.

arekb81 wrote:

Then there's the matter of coffee flavor. The same coffee will taste different in coffee machines of different companies.
It will be the strongest in Jura and Krups coffee machines. The weakest/mildest in Delonghi. Saeco/Philips right in the middle.

This has always intrigued me, it's a matter of grinding, pressure ... why these differences?

The grinding itself is rather a marketing ploy, a bit of voodoo and it does not have much effect.
Each manufacturer claims that their grinder is the best because it has metal burrs, ceramic burrs, etc.
Temperature? There are no big discrepancies here. Most manufacturers also usually provide three-stage temperature control.

The differences in brewing coffee, yes, come from the pressure; espresso machine manufacturers use different pumps with different power. The most important thing in my opinion, however, is what is behind the grounds.
Most often and simply speaking, it is a valve (spring + rubber band / ball).
The operation of this valve is most responsible for creating pressure in the brewing chamber and for the final visual effect - crema.
Here, each manufacturer uses its more or less complex solutions.

Hi
I am faced with the choice of a Jura E8 or a Delonghi Primadonna
So I don't know anything about espresso machines, I went to the store with the intention of buying a Delonghi Primadonna but the seller offered to make me coffee from these two individual Jura and Delonghi espresso machines and here's my confusion because the coffee from Jura tasted great this smell the taste was just insane (and I will add that the same coffee was poured into the coffee machines next to me and the same grinding parameters were set) and the Delonghi tasted like I had a coffee at home from a kettle, i.e. water mixed with coffee.
Unfortunately, I didn't have the opportunity to try a latte, and this is the type of coffee I drink most often, and here's my question if Jura heats the milk
Is there a difference between latte with Delonghi and Jura
I read on the internet that Jura has a special pet system or something and that's why Jura coffee is better, allleeee doesn't use this system for latte coffee
Please help me

What was the Primadonna like? DeLonghi calls it several completely different espresso machines.
Jura heats the milk as much as possible. Latte, if I'm not mistaken, is made in a completely different way than DeLonghi - it automatically sets the proportions of non-foamed to foamed milk.
If you like Jura coffee better - buy Jura.
I've written before that DeLonghi makes the weakest coffee from company espresso machines.

What kind of coffee maker do you recommend? What brand and model?

Speaking of the jury, somewhere I met with the opinion that it is better to buy in DE, allegedly they are cheaper than in Poland

Suful93 wrote:

Hello and welcome.
I'm at the stage of choosing a coffee machine, I have a budget of about PLN 5,500....
Thanks in advance for any advice

The question is whether it should be a bucket of milk tinted with coffee or a decent espresso. If the former, it's an automatic espresso machine. The DeLonghi outer container is a guarantee that the milk will sour the next day, if left. Jura has such a metal cooled tank, but I wouldn't overestimate it, even starters from Lidl are better. If, on the other hand, you like espresso, there are Gaggia machines on the market and I would recommend this one

Hello,
let me piggyback on the thread, I'm considering buying the following two espresso machines:
- Delonghi La Specialista Maestro EC9665.M
- Jura E8
- open to your suggestions :)

Yes, I am aware that one is an automatic espresso machine, while the other is a portafilter with the addition of an automatic machine. The price is similar, but my doubts are due to the high price, I wonder that it is not better to buy something cheaper and equally good.

Need:
- 2-4 milk coffees a day, preferably two at the same time
- I like to experiment with coffee (flask) but I also care about speed (automatic), one of the two I will achieve.

Doubts/Questions:
- Jura is made of plastic from the outside, like almost every machine (those glowing plastic casings are scary, especially in machines > 4,000), these machines look like toys and the question is whether they are worth the price.
- Delonghi is metal from the outside, it looks more solidly made, but probably also has a lot of plastic inside, I presume because I don't know
- how is the build quality of Delonghi vs Jura?
- what is the availability of parts after years, for example a thermomix - parts will get into it even after 10 years
- which service is more expensive
- Jura's guts are all hidden, everything is fine inside, milk too, only cleaning remains, but how about hygiene (water, coffee, fungus, leaks)? Delonghi, on the other hand, froths the milk on the outside, many elements are exposed, I guess it may be better when the milk does not "enter" inside the machine
- which company has less failure-prone electronics and other equipment

Thank you very much in advance for any suggestions and technical knowledge on this topic

@r3solved
Definitely Jura of the two.
It is true that Jura and Delonghi have parts available for espresso machines up to 15 years old, but this Delonghi buttstock is a freak of nature.
For example, heaters and a grinder not found in other DeLonghi models. If it turns out to be a dud, a failed experiment by the manufacturer and it disappears from the offer, there may be a problem with parts after the warranty.

I would also like to add that a flask coffee machine is a failure in the case of a larger number of guests.

arekb81 wrote:

I've written before that DeLonghi makes the weakest coffee from company espresso machines.

I can't fully agree with this because I have had Saeco Lirika OTC RI9851/01 for 4 years at home and black coffee is OK.
Recently, a friend bought Melitta F53/1-102 Caffeo Passione OT and made me black coffee and it wasn't crazy, I would say slightly worse than Saeco.
And I recently chose De'Longhi Magnifica S ECAM 22.110.B for my in-laws. It's such a surprise coffee is strong, aromatic and hot, that I was in a severe shock - settings to the minimum when it comes to water temperature and there to the max Coffee at my place and at my in-laws is the same.
But I am also looking for new equipment myself and I have a dilemma whether to go in this Magnifica price over PLN 1000 or buy something supposedly better.
He mainly drinks black coffee, but there are very few coffee machines on offer.
So I'm thinking about the following.
1. Jurassic E4
2. DeLonghi ESAM 460.75.MB Perfecta Deluxe
3. DeLonghi ECAM550.85.MS
The only thing on my mind is that the first two have a pressure of 15bar and the third one at 19bar and now the question is whether the difference of 4bar will make such a difference in the taste of coffee? Or maybe this function in Jura PEP, i.e. the Pulse Extraction Process, will make a better coffee? And there is the question of how much coffee the Delonghi brewing unit has, because in Jura it is up to 16g and in this basic Magnifica model, as far as I know, max 14g.
And as I wrote above, I have different feelings about the taste and strength of coffee from Saeco, Melitta and Delonghi coffee machines and at the same time I have a dilemma which coffee machine to choose from the more expensive ones?
Maybe someone can clear my doubts or point me in the right direction.
Regards.

You still have a choice of Nivone, it is generally praised for the taste of black coffees.

Don't worry about "bars", no one has proven any effect of the nominal pressure of the pump on the taste of coffee.

The capacity of the infuser is also debatable. Two 8g coffees in one cup is not the same as one 16g. In delonghi 14g was (I don't know how it is now) only with double coffee at max strength.

PEP, as far as I know, only works up to a certain volume of espresso. By drinking only "coffee" you will miss the possible profit from this brewing process. Jura went a different way and access to some menu functions is only via the app on the phone, and for it to work, you need to buy a BT module. Jury fans and experts claim that today's models are not the same as they used to be.

arekb81 wrote:

If it turns out to be a dud, a failed experiment by the manufacturer and it disappears from the offer, there may be a problem with parts after the warranty.

Thank you very much, you hit the point - that's what I'm afraid of and considering the price I have a lot of doubts. You stay with the express for a few thousand after you can't get a part.

I don`t see any point in overpaying for displays and 12 types of coffee as most people drink black, cappuciono or machiatto anyway. For me, the condition was decent equipment up to PLN 2,000, with an opening side for cleaning the infuser, a system for cleaning the milk tube, and that`s it. No milk boxes and keeping them in the fridge. A hose for a glass of milk and that`s it. Hence the choice of Melitte Lattaicia.
I`m terribly pleased. We have an unopened Jura at work. It`s scary to think what`s inside.

There is a video on YT where the guy shows the difference between frothed milk in a PLN 2,000 and PLN 10,000 machine. The one for PLN 10,000 is like whipped cream, and the one for PLN 2,000 is more watery. And the guy says that only espresso machines costing PLN 10,000 make better foam. So does it make sense to buy a coffee machine for PLN 5,000? Who will forbid the rich? :)

I just made two machiattos. Although it`s better to do one at a time.

Hello.
After a year, I can say that this model of the coffee machine was a hit.
ESAM460.75MB

Gentlemen, do not recommend Krups because Krups is a one-time deal. The best and the cheapest even without a display. When it comes to durability, Delonghi and Saeco are currently on top. Expensive ceramic valves in Melittas fail (frequent leakage). Let`s not count Bosch or Siemens as coffee machines because they are pure evil. Constantly watered modules or damaged modules cost more than half the amount.
Greetings