Differences between Parkside PAP 20 A1, B1, B3 batteries and compatibility with the PLG 20 B1 charge

Hello
What is the difference between the Parkside PAP 20 A1 batteries - that's the one I have - and, for example, the PAP 20 B1, B3 and other similar batteries? Can they be charged with the same chargers and used for the same devices? Why make things so complicated at all. At the moment there is a PAP 20 B1 2AH in Lidl and it will rather fit, but what about the symbolism? My charger is a 20V PLG 20 B1. It says on it that for the 20V battery pack PAP 20A1/A2/A3. I don't know if this PAP 20B1 will be ok or not. What is the difference between the two?

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Various orders.

Rather, the difference is not only the producers. Lidl boasts that everything from the X20V Team series is compatible with each other, but this is not true. I have a PABSP 20-Li B2 performance drill and screwdriver with a PAP 20 A1 battery, and in Lidl I bought a PLHLA 20 LI B1 flashlight and it turned out that the flashlight did not work properly with A1 battery. After inserting the battery into the lamp, everything lights up fine, but after a while the flashlight cannot be turned on anymore, just put the batteries in the screwdriver, turn it on and then back into the flashlight and it will glow, but after turning it off after a while it cannot be turned on again. As far as I know, other users have the same problem. I even replaced the lamp with another one, but the problem is still the same. The problem does not occur with the PAP 20 B1 battery, the flashlight turns on every now and then. So it looks like the electronics in the A1 battery is different from the one in the B1. Interestingly, the charger that was included in the screwdriver set is PLG 20 B1 which, according to the instructions, can only charge A1, A2 and A3 batteries, it's completely crazy and I don't understand this policy that supposedly everything from the X20V Team series is supposed to fit, but it doesn't.

I recently responded to a private message with this text. Maybe it will be useful to someone and maybe it will dispel some doubts about at least one type...

"I have a screwdriver complete with a PLG20B1 charger and a PAP20A1 battery.
Recently I took a risk and bought a PAPB3 4Ah battery, of course 20V.
It is true that I charged it only once with my original charger from the set, i.e. PLG20B1, and everything was fine. The 4Ah battery charged and turned off. So I guess ok, nothing burned? By the way, I don't know why they made it so complicated with these symbols"

It's probably about selling new models and making money because no one knows anything and you can't find information anywhere about the differences, if any. Although in the long run I don't know how the set will behave in such a set. Soon they will run out of letters of the alphabet, but there are many possible combinations. There will be e.g. PAP, PPA, PAA PAP 20A1, PAP 20 1A, PAP A1 20, PAP 1A 20 etc. etc. ?. Maybe someone could clearly define what this is all about.

BC313 wrote:

Hello. What is the difference between the Parkside PAP 20 A1 batteries I have and e.g. PAP 20 B1, B3 and other similar batteries? Can they be charged with the same chargers and used for the same devices? Why complicate things so much? Currently, Lidl has PAP 20 B1 2AH and it will probably fit, but what about the symbolism? Can anyone do something? My 20V PLG 20 B1 charger. It says on it that it is for the battery pack
20V PAP 20A1/A2/A3. And now I don't know whether this PAP 20B1 will be ok or not. How is it different?

PAP - term for battery powered usually
PAPS - term for smart batteries

20 - voltage
A1/B2/A3/B3 - revision and size (1.2 - 2ah, 3 - 2ah)
A balancer is installed in version B :)

They can be charged, but at most they do not charge to 100% - as a rule, the end contacts of the batteries are connected directly to the battery contacts.

jaro88 wrote:

Rather, the difference is not only the producers. Lidl boasts that everything from the X20V Team series is compatible with each other, but this is not true. I have a PABSP 20-Li B2 performance drill and screwdriver with a PAP 20 A1 battery, and in Lidl I bought a PLHLA 20 LI B1 flashlight and it turned out that the flashlight did not work. works properly with A1 battery. After inserting the battery into the lamp, everything lights up fine, but after a while the flashlight cannot be turned on anymore, just put the batteries in the screwdriver, turn it on and then back into the flashlight and it will glow, but after turning it off after a while it cannot be turned on again. As far as I know, other users have the same problem. I even replaced the lamp with another one, but the problem is still the same. The problem does not occur with the PAP 20 B1 battery, the flashlight turns on every now and then. So it looks like the electronics in the A1 battery is different from the one in the B1. Interestingly, the charger that was included in the screwdriver set is PLG 20 B1 which, according to the instructions, can only charge A1, A2 and A3 batteries, it's completely crazy and I don't understand this policy that supposedly everything from the X20V Team series is supposed to fit, but it doesn't.

The lamp - depending on the piece - will either work properly or not. I suspect that someone gave the soul lights in the microprocessor software and there is too little delay there. The battery does not output information from the thermistor to the pin - because it does not know that it is connected to something, so the lamp thinks that there is no proper battery there and does not turn on. You can easily bypass this, or complain to the manufacturer until the end

sylwek2k wrote:

...I suspect that someone gave the soul lights in the microprocessor software and there is too little delay there. The battery does not output information from the thermistor to the pin - because it does not know that it is connected to something, so the lamp thinks that there is no proper battery there and does not turn on. You can easily bypass this...

Friend @sylwek2k, could you tell me how to get around this? because I have a similar problem and a complaint is not possible.

You should solder a 5-20k resistor to the main board of the flashlight, between the yellow and black wires (temperature signal pin and ground). The yellow cable should be cut or unsoldered - we will no longer need this signal from the battery

I got an interesting answer from Lidl's website. I asked about a promotional offer from the current offer and I received this answer:

the leaflet, on page 2, offers:

- article number 408019 PARKSIDE Lithium-ion battery PAP 20 B1 20 V 2 Ah

- article number 408025 Lithium-ion battery PAP 20 B3 20 V 4 Ah

These batteries differ in capacity.

Technical data:

Battery: PAP 20 B1
Type: Li-Ion (Lithium-Ion)
Rated voltage: max. 20V (DC)
Capacity: 2Ah
Number of cells: 5
Energy value: 40 Wh
Recommended temperature:
- ambient: max. 45 °C
- while charging: +4 to +40 °C
- during operation: +4 to +40 °C
- during storage: +20 to +26 °C

Compatible chargers:

- PLG 20 C1, PLG 20 A4 (charging time 60 minutes)
- PLG 20 C3, PLG 20 A3, PDSLG 20 A1 (charging time 35 minutes)
- Smart PLGs 2012 A1 (charging time: 35 minutes (fast charging mode) and 120 minutes (ECO charging mode)

Battery: PAP 20 B3
Type: LITHIUM-ION
Rated voltage: max. 20V
Capacity: 4Ah
Number of cells: 10
Energy value: 80 Wh
Recommended temperature
- ambient: max. 45 °C
- while charging: +4 to +40 °C
- during operation: +4 to +40 °C
- during storage: +20 to +26 °C

Compatible chargers:

- PLG 20 C1, PLG 20 A4 (charging time 120 minutes)
- PLG 20 C3, PLG 20 A3, PDSLG 20 A1 (charging time 60 minutes)
- Smart PLGS 2012 A1 (charging time: 42 minutes (fast charging mode) and 240 minutes (ECO charging mode).

We recommend that you follow the operating instructions because using accessories other than those recommended may void the warranty.

sylwek2k wrote:

You should solder a 5-20k resistor to the main board of the flashlight, between the yellow and black wires (temperature signal pin and ground). The yellow cable should be cut or unsoldered - we will no longer need this signal from the battery

I confirm that unsoldering the yellow wire from the battery socket and soldering a 10k resistor between the soldering point of the yellow and black wires on the board solves the problem with the operation of the PLHLA 20 Li B1 lamp with Parkside A series batteries - it works with both 2 Ah and 4 Ah. Of course, the yellow wire should be cut off from the board or insulated