I’d like some input (brainstorming) on just ONE aspect of a project that I’m undertaking in my home.
This background is long, but it puts my requirement in context, so…
I’m the second owner of my house. The initial owner/builder had several electrical circuits with 3-way (3W) and 4-way (4W) switches; switches for the lights in hallways, basement, garage, outside lights, many in places where you can’t see whether the light is on or off from the switch location, and even some multi-switch circuits to control electrical sockets.
So this is what I want to do:
I've designed a module that is to be attached to the 3 leads (3W switches) or 4 leads (4W switches) of each switch in a circuit. The microcontroller-based module goes in each gang box behind the analog switch (they do fit). An LED coming from the module is positioned in a hole drilled in the wall plate of the switch. The LED indicates when the load has voltage (measuring current flow would be easier but that wouldn’t work for the switches controlling sockets unless something was plugged in and switched on).
When a light is on (or an electrical socket has voltage),
(1) only the common lead on the load side 3W switch “knows” that the light is on – if that lead has voltage, voltage is being supplied and
(2) when light is on, the unused set of traveler wires are connected together, are not energized and run from switch to switch for the entire run of the circuit, and this connection is isolated from everything else (I can provide a drawing to show this if necessary).
The module behind each switch already determines which traveler doesn’t have voltage and if the 3W load-side switch, it will send a signal on that traveler and if not the 3W load-side switch, if will try to detect that signal – successfully detecting that signal would mean the load has voltage and cause the local LED to illuminate.
So I’d like to use that series of unused travelers to safely send a signal from the 3W load-side switch to all other switches, but as far as I can figure, the return path has to be ground.
Brainstorming Question: What sort of low voltage signal (AC?, DC?, voltage level? something else?) can I safely (probably continually) send on the isolated set of unused travelers when the 3W load-side switch common lead has voltage, that can be detected by every other switch in the circuit attached to the isolated set of unused travelers, and for overkill, detectable as much as 150 feet of 14AWG wire away?
Secondary Question: If you happen to know, if I want to commercialize the idea (realistically not going to happen but...), will the solution pass UL scrutiny? By the way, if a circuit only has two 3W switches, I could swap out the 2 with an existing commercial solution (for a lot of $ per switch), but nothing out there can handle a circuit with 4W switches.Thanks.
This background is long, but it puts my requirement in context, so…
I’m the second owner of my house. The initial owner/builder had several electrical circuits with 3-way (3W) and 4-way (4W) switches; switches for the lights in hallways, basement, garage, outside lights, many in places where you can’t see whether the light is on or off from the switch location, and even some multi-switch circuits to control electrical sockets.
So this is what I want to do:
I've designed a module that is to be attached to the 3 leads (3W switches) or 4 leads (4W switches) of each switch in a circuit. The microcontroller-based module goes in each gang box behind the analog switch (they do fit). An LED coming from the module is positioned in a hole drilled in the wall plate of the switch. The LED indicates when the load has voltage (measuring current flow would be easier but that wouldn’t work for the switches controlling sockets unless something was plugged in and switched on).
When a light is on (or an electrical socket has voltage),
(1) only the common lead on the load side 3W switch “knows” that the light is on – if that lead has voltage, voltage is being supplied and
(2) when light is on, the unused set of traveler wires are connected together, are not energized and run from switch to switch for the entire run of the circuit, and this connection is isolated from everything else (I can provide a drawing to show this if necessary).
The module behind each switch already determines which traveler doesn’t have voltage and if the 3W load-side switch, it will send a signal on that traveler and if not the 3W load-side switch, if will try to detect that signal – successfully detecting that signal would mean the load has voltage and cause the local LED to illuminate.
So I’d like to use that series of unused travelers to safely send a signal from the 3W load-side switch to all other switches, but as far as I can figure, the return path has to be ground.
Brainstorming Question: What sort of low voltage signal (AC?, DC?, voltage level? something else?) can I safely (probably continually) send on the isolated set of unused travelers when the 3W load-side switch common lead has voltage, that can be detected by every other switch in the circuit attached to the isolated set of unused travelers, and for overkill, detectable as much as 150 feet of 14AWG wire away?
Secondary Question: If you happen to know, if I want to commercialize the idea (realistically not going to happen but...), will the solution pass UL scrutiny? By the way, if a circuit only has two 3W switches, I could swap out the 2 with an existing commercial solution (for a lot of $ per switch), but nothing out there can handle a circuit with 4W switches.Thanks.