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Elektrometal EM-eG4 - how to read gas consumption remotely, integration with Home Assistant

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How can I remotely read gas consumption from an Elektrometal EM-eG4 meter and integrate it with Home Assistant?

You generally cannot remotely read the EM-eG4 yourself for Home Assistant right now; users reported that Elektrometal/PSG say the meter has no consumer-accessible communication and that the only available reading method is the physical LCD display [#21832961][#21760489] There were reports that the meter may have an optical interface, but in Poland the optical connector is OPTOGAZ using the Smart-Gas protocol (ST-IGG-0201:2023), not DLMS/COSEM, and any optical head would need ATEX compliance plus gas-company approval [#21755824][#21756546] PSG also reportedly said all communication ports on the new meters are blocked to third parties, while access to eGas readings is planned later but without a known date or public API [#21760489][#21756735] Practical workarounds mentioned in the thread were using an older reed-switch meter if allowed, or estimating consumption indirectly from boiler power/runtime with a Shelly device, but not direct meter integration [#21755680][#21850146]
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  • #31 21851614
    jacekiwanski10
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    As you can see on the bill the conversion rates are also there, but the variable is the second number after the decimal point. I had kW at the beginning, but it was too unreadable for me. I currently use m³. My meter is not precise and was never intended to be by my definition. The current precision is enough for me and I correct it from time to time. I have created entities that count my daily and monthly consumption costs, of course adding the fixed charges, and for me it is ok. Of course, you may not be happy with this solution. I spoke to the branch manager of the PSG, who advised to install an additional meter for yourself and modify it. I would do it differently: build a meter from a pulse flow meter and Shelly with an Add-on overlay, write a script and that would be better, in my opinion of course.
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  • #32 21851673
    hindoos
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    jacekiwanski10 wrote:
    I had kW at first, but it wasn't clear enough for me

    But it's the total you pay for and it actually tells you how much energy the house is using.
    Now every time you change calories with your supplier you will have a turnout. Although I don't know if you can get this from somewhere before the invoice
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  • #33 21851689
    jacekiwanski10
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    The measurement has its error and I accept it, the calorific value of the gas is not very important to me because I won't know how much energy my house has used anyway. Calorific value isn't everything, I don't really know the current efficiency of the boiler, which I'm sure has changed, so why get hung up on whether 1 m³ of gas is 11.424 kW or 12.411 kW. You would need to fit a meter for the heat energy generated by the church for central heating and hot water. I am not persuading anyone to do anything, for me, I emphasise, for me my meter is sufficient, and whether at the end of the day my encyte shows PLN1011 to be paid and the invoice is for PLN1031, it doesn't matter too much and you have to pay it anyway 🙂
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  • #34 21851829
    szmiit
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    >>21851594 Yes, that makes sense, only it seems to me that this calorific value is fairly constant and basically only known from the bill (with a time lag). Here it is more a question of finding some reasonably stable dependence of gas intake on some measurable quantity. If we assume that the calorific value is fairly constant, it can be ignored in the calculations. I am writing without thinking further - maybe I am wrong.

    Added after 5 [minutes]:

    >>21851614 Have you perhaps got your eye on such a flow meter? When they replaced my meter I was thinking about a sub-meter, but I have too many concerns about that. I know blocks of flats have meters in the flats and people live with that, but I'd have this feeling that for the sake of fiddling I'm adding an extra element to the house that could be the cause of a leaking installation and life-threatening (e.g. a few extra connections + the meter itself). Somehow I feel better without it - it's not a water meter :) . But maybe it's just me being oversensitive. My meter from PSG is behind the entrance gate, outside....

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    >>21851520 Thanks for those suggestions, I didn't know that. That's certainly a better direction than measuring voltage/current, just seeing that I'll have to get a PhD. I'm trying to analyse the topic with the furnace and AI documentation, but I don't yet know what plugs where, what I'd need to buy for that and how it would affect the ViCare, er, ViCare I mean, because I'd like that app to still work, and the Vitoconnect 100 Opto1 module occupies the only optical port. There's a separate port (two wires) for what you write, but at the moment I don't know if it's built-in or if I need to buy something extra. I'm looking into the subject - thanks!
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  • #35 21852032
    jacekiwanski10
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    I wish you good luck with your projects. As you will realise, every measurement system is based on an error; it is called measurement class; even the Large Hadron Collider at CERN has it. Once again, I wish you the best of luck.
  • #36 21893592
    PaweWolniewicz
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    Elektrometal EM-eG4 - how to read gas consumption remotely, integration with Home Assistant
    Elektrometal EM-eG4 - how to read gas consumption remotely, integration with Home Assistant
    https://jomjol.github.io/AI-on-the-edge-device-docs/Installation/

    Good evening, I wanted to let you know that the ESP camera with the meter and meter recognition software works without any problems. I recommend delving into the subject, it works sensationally, flawlessly, resolution to 0.001 l, greetings serdec
    Elektrometal EM-eG4 - how to read gas consumption remotely, integration with Home Assistant
    iNSULT.
    Elektrometal EM-eG4 - how to read gas consumption remotely, integration with Home Assistant

    As you can see, the entities all in Home Assistant work flawlessly, doing 1440 readings per day, or every minute. It has a filter to prevent negative results, as well as safeguards so it doesn't jump ahead too much. Overall it is very well thought out. Browser-based software - a revelation for me. The cost of the whole device with the 3D case, which I printed myself, is about £70.
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