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Elektrometal EM-eG4 - how to read gas consumption remotely, integration with Home Assistant

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  • #1 21741050
    Bogus105
    Level 16  
    hello, the gentlemen from pgnig came and replaced my new meter (one year old) with a new one - model from the manufacturer Elektrometal S.A. type EM-eG4. In the previous one, I had a pulser (reed switch) fitted and the pulses were sent via SonOff (I used a door-opening sensor) to my Home Assistance. Well, and a flop, because now the meter is different and the pulser (Metrix NI-3) does not fit. The new one has a communication module and supposedly communicates with the mobile network once a day.

    Do you have any idea how to remotely read the gas consumption from this meter? The documentation says it has different types of communication (min LoRa), but I don't know if it's standard and if it's even possible to communicate with it.

    https://elektrometal.eu/products/1318

    https://elektrometal.eu/catalogs/all/plgazownictwo.pdf

    The fitter said they are replacing en masse with these particular meters (the debt collectors will go on the pavement...).
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  • #2 21742911
    vanmarcin
    Level 7  
    +1... same story with me
  • #3 21752558
    jacekiwanski10
    Level 7  
    I would like to make a comment to this thread. The company seems to be replacing gas meters en masse. Same problem at my place, small integration with HA via Sonoff. Everything was laughing beautifully until yesterday. After reading the documentation, very vague, I'm going to try to download the readings via CC1101 868 MHz, ESP32 and ESPHome software, ESPHome custom components by Szczepan. Maybe someone has a better idea or has already tried something.
  • #4 21755680
    vanmarcin
    Level 7  
    >>21752558 If it were possible to intercept the radio signal, it would be cool - I do that with the water meter I have at home. But this meter is the worst kind of crap - it has neither a magnetic nor light pulse generator, nor does it communicate by radio. It only has a SIM card to communicate with the GSM operator.

    The only solution, in my opinion, now is to mount some sort of battery-powered ESP module inside this box next to the house, which would read the meter status with the camera. But this is against the regulations - I found out from the gas supplier, anything that is mounted there: 1) has to be EX approved (or something like that); 2) has to be approved by the gas company.

    If I could buy a reasonably priced meter of some sort that I would fit to my installation at home (with the help of some professional, of course), that would be lux.
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  • #5 21755824
    jacekiwanski10
    Level 7  
    I found information that the gas meters are equipped with an optical interface in IEC 62056-21 standard. This is an optical serial port.
    There is a component for ESPHome that can be implemented on the ESP8266 or ESP32 board.
    Now only the optical head in ATEX design and here I found a company ELGAS, model HIE-03, production from Czech Republic. But for now I am waiting for a reply from PSG. There is also the EU directive 2023/1162, which says that the end customer has the right to read the readings from the measuring device. PSG is replacing gas meters with KPO and therefore EU money. I will wait for an answer before taking steps on what to buy. I would also advise you to do so and ask the gas company for permission.
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  • #6 21756492
    vanmarcin
    Level 7  
    This is very interesting... I called the manufacturer about this gas meter and the gentleman from technical support firmly answered me: 'This gas meter has nothing, only a GSM module'.

    It would be great if it turned out that there was something there after all - even if I had to buy a module.

    The gas company agreed - I had already received permission from them to install a module for the magnetic pulser, and I had already made preliminary enquiries here too. There is one condition: ATEX.

    I would be grateful for any information on what has been established.
  • #7 21756546
    raks0
    Level 31  
    jacekiwanski10 wrote:
    I found information that gas meters are equipped with an optical interface in IEC 62056-21 standard.This is an optical serial port.There is a component for ESPHome that can be implemented on the ESP8266 or ESP32 board.

    It is just that in gas meters in Poland the OPTOGAZ optical connector of the IEC 62056-21 standard works with the Smart-Gas protocol (ST-IGG-0201:2023) and not DLMS/COSEM.
  • #8 21756735
    jacekiwanski10
    Level 7  
    The protocol is secondary, finding an ATEX optical head is probably impossible, SICK used to produce one but it is now discontinued. With the NI 3 reed switch it was straightforward because it met the requirements, and the Sonoff box was mounted outside the explosion zone and that was it. The head is an electrical device and must be EX. I got a laconic reply from PSG that it was planned to have access to read the eGas meters. Just not sure when, so I asked the question if it would be via wM-Bus or via API, a question I didn't get an answer to because they don't know.
  • #9 21756775
    davidjenkins7473
    Level 2  
    The new meter’s pulser won’t work. Remote reading likely requires the utility’s platform or a compatible gateway, since it communicates via LoRa or mobile network. Best to check with Elektrometal or your gas provider.
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  • #10 21759008
    jacekiwanski10
    Level 7  
    I found information that the gas meters are equipped with an optical interface in IEC 62056-21 standard. This is an optical serial port.
    There is a component for ESPHome that can be implemented into the ESP8266 or ESP32 board.
    Now only the optical head in ATEX design and here I found a company ELGAS, model HIE-03, production from Czech Republic. But for now I am waiting for a reply from PSG. There is also the EU directive 2023/1162, which says that the end customer has the right to read the readings from the measuring device. PSG is replacing gas meters with KPO and therefore EU money. I will wait for an answer before taking steps on what to buy. I would also advise you to do so and ask the gas company for permission.
  • #11 21759022
    hindoos
    Level 36  
    jacekiwanski10 wrote:
    the end customer has the right to read the readings from the metering device

    And the new gas meter does not have numbers on the display? :)
  • #12 21760489
    jacekiwanski10
    Level 7  
    I am after a conversation with a nice PSG employee who informed me that all communication ports on the new gas meters are blocked to third parties. And it is planned to make the data from the eGas meters available, only for now it is not clear when and in what form. I have come up with another way of monitoring gas consumption. When I test it, I will describe it
  • #13 21767313
    jagielamarcin
    Level 1  
    It was so much fun with the magnetic pulse based meter that I had a real time measurement with an accuracy of 0.001 m^3. This is not going to come back with the crap they have installed now. Reading via API (even if they make it available), or via the website (some web scraping) is definitely not going to be the same anymore.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    I'm wondering if I should buy an old style bellows gas meter (about £300) and with the help of some installer if I don't get myself one already in the house.... Maybe it doesn't make sense, but I don't see any other option. Measuring gas consumption was very important to me....
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