Connecting a 5-Pin 380V Plug to a 4-Pin Socket for a Car Starter

Question

Hello, the problem is probably known to everyone, but I don't know how to do it. Please describe how to connect a 5-pin plug to a 4-pin socket, and vice versa. Thank you very much for your hints and comments.
ps. I need this transition, because I have a 5-pin socket at work, and at home I have a 4-pin socket and I have a car that ignites poorly in winter, so I use a 380V starter (and it has a 5-pin plug).
Regards ALL

krzychol66 · Answer

Moving from a 4-pin socket to a 5-pin plug, you connect each phase with phase 1 to 1, and the PEN wire is split into PE and N. The pins are marked on most sockets, so there should be no problem with identification.
It works under the condition that you have a 4-pin socket in an old-type installation with zeroing (i.e. there is no differential, and the fourth conductor is actually a PEN conductor, not a PE conductor, while N is not connected at all).

The other way is worse. If the receiver does not need N (e.g. it is a motor or a 3f transformer connected in a delta or an insulated star), leave the N from the socket free, and the PE from the socket is connected to the PEN of the receiver.
If the receiver needs N, and there is a differential in the power circuit, then se ne da, Pane Havranek

.

artmel · Answer

I have an old type network and a 4-pin socket at home. The starting device (24V rectifier) has a 5-pin plug. Could you please explain to me again "blatantly"

what should i start? :?:

ps. I have dealt with small DC voltages so far, I already know :idea:

I'm in the time of rehearsals .............

Adam1988 · Answer

GNIAZDO                 WTYCZKA
         L1-----------------------L1
         L2-----------------------L2
         L3-----------------------L3
         PEN---------------------N
                             \______PE

artmel · Answer

And how is it when I want a 5-pin socket -> 4-pin plug? ... I will have a whole set of adapters

artmel · Answer

ie the same as in this diagram?

Anonymous · Answer

Hello Mistake. Once the PEN conductor is split into PE and N, it must not be bridged again. artmel You already know it all . And this is exactly what it should be like: Code: text Expand Select all Copy to clipboardWTYCZKA                     GNIAZDO          L1-----------------------L1          L2-----------------------L2          L3-----------------------L3          PEN----------------------PE                              \_____N

artmel · Answer

Okay, thanks for the info .... I have to replace the plugs with the 24V starting device (from 4-pin to 5-pin)

Adam1988 · Answer

geguś: artmel writes that it has a 4-pin socket (PE and N in one

) and a 5-pin plug (PE and N separately

)
in the diagram you gave after switching on, the differential would be crashed (if it was), because you short-circuited PE and N in the socket.

Błąd. Raz rozdzielonego przewodu PEN na PE i N nie wolno ponownie mostkować

where do you see the separation and reconnection?

It comes out of the PEN socket and in the device it splits into N and PE.

Greetings.

krzychol66 · Answer

You just didn't communicate You have outlined what needs to be connected between the existing socket in the installation and the existing plug in the device (without going into how to do it). The goose has outlined what an adapter should look like for this purpose, consisting of an additional socket, an additional plug and an additional piece of cable. You both drew correctly, but you misread what the other drew

Anonymous · Answer

Hello: Well, that's the main question: 1.what we have installed on the wall? 2.what is the device cable terminated with? Ad.1 Nest Ad.2 Plug According to my drawing, there cannot be an RCD. And according to you, maybe. Mistake You draw a chemistry from right to left, which makes the drawing unreadable, and should be drawn from left to right. Error next. With a 5-wire-plug (TN-S) installation, you connect the PE conductor to the N in the plug and continue to make a 4-wire-socket connection (TN-C). Mistake. Not. Not in the device, but in its plug. And that's a big difference. Because the request is this: And without a piece of wire, a 4-pin plug and a 5-pin socket, I don't see the possibility of doing this. And next: And here I agree that: Keep misinterpretation of the drawings to yourself. Then he writes: For clarity: Code: text Expand Select all Copy to clipboardGn. 4-pin instal.         Wt. 4-pin               Gn. 5-pin    Wt. urządz.          L1                   L1---------------------L1            L1-------------------          L2                   L2---------------------L2            L2------------------          L3                   L3---------------------L3            L3-------------------          PEN                  PEN-------------------PE            PE---------------------                                   I------------------N             N---------------------- I can't any clearer.

Adam1988 · Answer

Tell me how are these connections different? Besides, you give an extra socket and plug? you could write a little more culturally than: Code: text Expand Select all Copy to clipboardBłędną interpretację rysunków zachowaj dla siebie.

artmel · Answer

I can see that the topic is touched

.
Sorry for my inaccuracies. I checked at home, however, there is a 5-pin socket on the wall. And this device has a 4-pin plug.
From the above-mentioned examples, I am going to make a transition in the form of (socket-wire-plug) to make the device work.
Thank you for the information ...

Regards, if anyone else had something to suggest, I would be grateful ..

Adam1988 · Answer

Well, see what the mass is used for in this uzadzeniu. If it goes only to the housing, connect it to PE in a socket on the wall, if it is also used by e.g. luck, then connect it to N. You can also separate: lead out a 5-wire cable from the device and give PE to the housing and N to the right (or what there he uses it). ONLY THEN THE PE IN CABLES CANNOT BE JOINED IN THE MACHINE !!!.

Robinson74 · Answer

I will step on the topic, because the situation for me is very similar.
Don't "hook up", just read the regulations first.
3.1.19. Publishing entries in archival discussions. / zbich70 /
I have a switchboard and a 400V socket with 5 pins in the tinplate (there is also a differential),
It looks like the attachment.

Father-in-law has a welding machine, but with 4 pins.
Is it safe to connect?
Is there any "adapter"?

Ktoś_tam · Answer

We are in the 20s of the 21st century. Maybe it's time to adapt devices and installations to modern standards and not to make strange adapters?

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