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Counting Multiple Sockets at One Point on a Circuit and Bathroom Socket Load Limits

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  • #1 5015028
    michcio
    Electrician specialist
    Hello.

    I know that up to 8-10 sockets are mounted on one circuit.
    The problem is that in the room in one place I will probably make 2-3 sockets in one place to connect the RTV equipment / computer. Does such a point count as 3 slots or maybe as one? The question is a bit stupid, but it comes out and like 11 sockets on the perimeter and I would like to somehow reduce this number ...
    I could make an additional circuit and move some sockets to it, but then one room and half of the other would be on one circuit, and the other half on the other circuit, which is probably a bit inconvenient and someone will not turn off the power to replace the socket, e.g. ...

    The second thing.
    There is one socket in the bathroom for a washing machine and bolt hole. The problem is that the total power of these devices is 3800 W, that is ~ 16.5 A, and the protection should be 16 A. Can I then install a 20 A protection?
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  • #2 5015069
    edberg
    Level 30  
    When it comes to the bathroom, it all depends on what cables you have and how thick, then possibly changing the security with the permission of the network owner. When it comes to sockets in the room, the thickness of the cable, material (copper or aluminum) and what the maximum load may be there is also important. After all, if you connect an extension cord with 5 sockets, it would also be a problem.
    Finally, the measurements will verify everything nicely.
  • #3 5015072
    Waldek Osiński
    Level 16  
    Hello.
    1. As for the inconvenience, it is for discussion, and if there is a possibility of separation, I would use it
    2. What wire cross-section, security grading, and will the washing machine and the boiler be turned on at the same time?
  • #4 5015112
    michcio
    Electrician specialist
    Single-family house, all mine, installation over 30 years, all in copper. The power allocation is something like 35 kW.
    I am just going to replace the installation a little, install a switchgear, increase the number of circuits 20 times (there is now one).

    Wires for all sockets, of course, 2.5 mm2.
    I thought a little and I think that it is possible to make two sockets with independent circuits in the bathroom without any problems, also here the problem is properly solved.

    As for the rooms, it would not do without hitting the entire two walls to separate the rooms, so I am thinking about another solution. Only what ...
    I like everything in order, so these rooms should either be on one perimeter or one on one and the other on the other.
    Only this forging ...

    An additional question, but rather from structural installations.
    How are usually LAN and telephone cables routed?
    Telephone connections can be made in junction boxes and only provide branches to the sockets, but is it usually done, or maybe the cable is always routed from each socket to one point? Twisted pair, of course, one at a time.
    And in what places are conduits for structural installations carried out? Just above the floor in the wall? Is it possible to distribute them in the room below the ceiling and install the branches from the boxes through the ceiling to the top to the sockets?
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  • #5 5015154
    irekr
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Telephone cables are better to lead to one point. Canned anywhere is a bad idea.
    The location of the conduit for computer cables is not specified, it is important that they are as far as possible from power cables, water or gas pipes, and mainly not run in parallel, so as not to induce each other.
    And do not forget about the equalizing line that is pulled into the tube.
    Moreover, with current cable prices, no separate networks are run for telephones and separate networks for computers, structural networks are assumed to use cables for multiple purposes.

    For the bathroom for the boiler and washing machine, I would run separate cables to separate (good quality) sockets.
    I led YDY5x1.5 to the boiler at home - and led the thermostat to the board, where there is an additional small-size contactor. Of course, the boiler does not have a plug and the IP54 box with a 5x2.5 strip. It's always safer.
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  • #6 5015169
    michcio
    Electrician specialist
    But if you want to use a twisted pair to transmit, for example, 1 Gb / s, all pairs are used. So there's no more left on the phone.
    Unless you can buy a 5-pair twisted pair ...
  • #7 5015185
    irekr
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    There are no 5-pair twisted-pair cables, 8 pairs are very rare, but they are terribly expensive. Instead of YTKSy 3x2x0,5 you use normal UTP, it is cheaper and "developmental".
    The rule is: one socket - one cable.
  • #8 5015514
    michcio
    Electrician specialist
    So I will run a separate socket to the bolier. It is not a flow heater, it has a power of 1500 W, single-phase power supply, so I will lead DY 3x2.5 mm2.

    As for the distribution of circuits, I will probably make this room separately, and a separate second room together with the hall (in this other room there will be a small renovation soon, so making furrows will be more real).
  • #9 5015530
    elkard
    Level 36  
    With too many sockets, two-sided power supply of a given string is sometimes used.
  • #10 5015643
    michcio
    Electrician specialist
    I will ask you one more thing.
    In the kitchen for the dishwasher, I will make an additional circuit.

    I will add 2-3 more sockets above the table top. Exactly - can it be that these sockets above the table top are powered from a separate circuit, and the other 3, which are away from the table top (fridge, TV, general for a vacuum cleaner or some portable device), are powered from the general socket circuit ( also the socket in the third room)?

    Or do general kitchen sockets have to be powered from a separate circuit separate from the room?

    And one more thing - where to mount the socket for the dishwasher: at the height of the other sockets above the top of the dishwasher (free-standing) or maybe somewhere else (it falls off under the sink, behind the stove too). 30 cm from the floor next to the machine? Usually, kitchen furniture seems to have free space in the back ...
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  • #11 5016421
    irekr
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    For utility reasons (not power consumption), I would give a separate circuit with a separate protection for the refrigerator / freezer. The point is that an accidental short circuit does not turn off the power to the refrigerator or it is possible to turn off the power in the entire apartment with the exception of the refrigerator. This is a very practical solution.
    And never install any sockets that you cannot access (and control), especially behind (wooden) furniture in the kitchen.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the installation of electrical sockets in a home, specifically addressing the number of sockets on a single circuit and the implications of having multiple sockets in one location for RTV equipment and computers. Users debate whether multiple sockets in one area count as one or several towards the circuit limit. The conversation also touches on the safety and practicality of circuit separation, particularly in a bathroom where a washing machine and a boiler are connected to a single socket, raising concerns about exceeding the circuit's amperage. Suggestions include using separate circuits for high-power appliances and ensuring proper cable thickness and quality. Additionally, the routing of LAN and telephone cables is discussed, emphasizing the importance of keeping them away from power sources to avoid interference. The need for accessible socket placements in kitchens and the practicality of separate circuits for refrigerators are also highlighted.
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