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Pipe Cross-Section, Water Flow Calculation: Internal Diameter, Formula, Thick & Thin Sections

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  • #1 5245279
    muzykant
    Level 11  
    Hello.
    I don't know if there is any formula or program to calculate something like this.
    Well, I have a specific pipe section, one thin and the other thick, it is about the internal diameter of the flow.
    The pipe is of course for the flow of water.
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  • #2 5245582
    frog1
    Level 11  
    But you messed it up, I don't understand any of it, but maybe this will tell you something. I don't know any pattern, but one should be, the rule is - we have a thick pipe, we reduce to a heavier one; in heavier, the pressure will drop, but the flow speed will increase, if we reduce it back to a thicker one, the pressure will increase minus the losses, the flow speed will decrease, this is how the Weturi venturi works (I do not know how to spell it, sorry if I wrote it wrong) to change the pressure, we use reducers when closed tap, the pressure in the pipes will be the same. If that doesn't help, describe it in more detail, maybe I'll come up with something.
  • #3 5246556
    dzikamysz
    Level 16  
    Two important issues are whether you are interested in pressure drop or water flow. And one more thing is whether it is about the flow of water in the pipe or the outflow of water from this pipe to the atmosphere. It's best to put a diagram with written values, i.e. some assumptions, and what you want to receive, then I think I can help you.
  • #4 5251344
    Fyszo
    Level 37  
    For some theory, see 'fluid viscosity' and 'laminar flow'. However, this is going deep into hydrodynamics and it will not be possible without the basics of physics.
  • #5 6433304
    awow
    Level 12  
    How to calculate the flow rate of water from a pipe with a known diameter and static pressure.
  • #6 6434518
    W.Wojtek
    Phones specialist
    And what is the length of the pipe ??
  • #7 6434823
    awow
    Level 12  
    Please provide a formula or a table to calculate for different pipe lengths.
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  • #8 6434977
    W.Wojtek
    Phones specialist
    You don't want to look for me in physics textbooks either.
  • #9 10148546
    cugi253
    Level 16  
    see Bernoulli equation
  • #10 10249078
    dondziu
    Level 10  
    fluid speed:

    v = (4 * Qv) / (3600 * ? * r ^ 2) [m / s]

    where: Qv = m / ? [m3 / h] - volume flow (expenditure)

    m - flow rate [L / h]

    ? - fluid density [kg / m3]
    water-998, glycol-1115
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  • #11 10314078
    jurek-16
    Level 10  
    I have trouble quantifying the amount of water flowing in a 2 inch pipe with a pressure of 3 atmospheres. Although I found answers on a similar topic, I do not know how to calculate it. What will determine the amount of flowing water in the pipe, what are the dependencies, diameter, pressure, distance of water supply. I am trying to replace the water pipes on my farm and I want to do it on my own. In the network I want to have a pressure of max 3 atmospheres, the maximum peak water expenditure I need is 10 m3 per hour, the distances are 50-100 m what kind of PE 50 or PE 63 pipes to use?
  • #13 10315089
    jurek-16
    Level 10  
    Thanks for the answer. Honestly, I don't understand much of it. I am a farmer by education and I can help in this area, but in this subject I am a leg. Practically, I do not need to have perfect information, because if I wanted to get it, I would have to report to the designer, I will only mention that this pipe will supply livestock buildings (5 pcs) with a total staffing of about 3,000 pigs (250 DJP), but I am most interested in during the rush, that is, filling the sprayer (5 m3 in 0.5 hours) at a pressure of 3 atmospheres will flow through the PE 50 pipe as much water as needed or must be 63. How can someone please give it in a peasant fashion, how much water will flow through these pipes at a pressure of 2 , 3, 4 atmospheres. The hydrophore is powered by a PE 63 pipe, the pump capacity is max 190 liters per minute.
  • #14 10315212
    dondziu
    Level 10  
    with a PE 50 pipe at a distance of 50 m, water temperature, e.g. 10 degrees Celsius at a flow of 10,000 L / h (i.e. 10 m3 / h), the speed of water in the pipe is 1.37 m / s, and then the pump delivers 167 L / min.
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  • #15 10315611
    jurek-16
    Level 10  
    Thanks for your help, you convinced me that I have to lay the PE 63 pipe.
  • #16 10316628
    pgoral
    Level 26  
    and this 1.37 is it going to be too much?
  • #17 10326720
    dondziu
    Level 10  
    for me it will be ... I don't know about my friend

    greetings and there is no crisis !!!!! friend said ;)
  • #18 10472713
    Nazahin
    Level 10  
    Gentlemen, however, I would like to continue with the jurka-16 question. Although he sent some theory to him, I still don't know how to calculate the following problem.

    I have to calculate what is the gas consumption (m ^ 3 / s) given only certain pressure [bar] and nozzle outlet diameter [mm]. Thank you in advance for your answer.
  • #19 10473164
    pgoral
    Level 26  
    ie you probably have a pressure difference in front of and behind the nozzle. But it depends not only on the diameter of the nozzle, but also on the shape. You would have to find the parameters of such a nozzle that interest you.
  • #20 10473233
    Nazahin
    Level 10  
    Quote:
    ie you probably have a pressure difference in front of and behind the nozzle. But it depends not only on the diameter of the nozzle, but also on the shape. You would have to find the parameters of such a nozzle that interest you.


    The problem is that I do not have access to such data (the machine tool catalog does not contain it). I just have only the nozzle outlet diameter, gas supply pressure (oxygen or nitrogen), and process duration. Is it possible to estimate the consumption of these gases on the basis of such reduced data? Do I have to think of the shape of such a nozzle?
  • #21 10477535
    pgoral
    Level 26  
    just as air resistance depends not only on the area front but also on the resistance coefficient, and the "resistance" of the nozzle depends not only on its diameter.
  • #22 10599732
    dondziu
    Level 10  
    Nazahin, give everything you have, count and write what is five
    best regards
  • #23 10787577
    figa_miga
    Level 19  
    Gentlemen, I will step on the subject, but I mean freely flowing air (several m? / h) through a tunnel with a flap that opens up to a maximum of 90 °. Half the tunnel is open at 45 ° and the flow can be assumed to be halved. What will it look like depending on the direction of the flow? - once it will slide down the flap, another time it will bump into it.
    For now, I have figured out that for a tunnel with a cross-section other than a circle, you need to determine the equivalent diameters, and then read the resistances from the table. Only these tables are not visible.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around calculating water flow in pipes with varying internal diameters, specifically focusing on thick and thin sections. Key considerations include pressure drop, flow rate, and the impact of pipe length and diameter on water flow. Users mention the importance of understanding fluid dynamics concepts such as Bernoulli's equation, fluid viscosity, and laminar flow. Practical examples are provided, including calculations for a 2-inch pipe under specific pressure conditions and the selection of appropriate pipe sizes (PE 50 vs. PE 63) for agricultural applications. The conversation emphasizes the need for clear diagrams and assumptions to facilitate accurate calculations.
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