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Connecting a 230V/380V 2.2kW 3-Phase Motor to 230V: Choosing the Right Work Capacitor Capacity

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  • #1 6098502
    lukaszluk
    Level 15  
    Hello
    I recently purchased an electric motor powered by 230V / 380V and I want to connect it to 230V. The engine power is 2.2kW.
    With the help of the forum, I calculated that I would need a 132-154 uF capacitor for start-up
    I also found a connection diagram with both the starting capacitor and the operation (but to a different motor), according to one diagram with disconnection of the starting capacitor, I would like to make such a switch.
    But the most important thing is because I do not know what capacitor to use, what capacity it should be.
    Can someone help me calculate its capacity.
    Below I enclose diagrams:
    Connecting a 230V/380V 2.2kW 3-Phase Motor to 230V: Choosing the Right Work Capacitor Capacity
    Connecting a 230V/380V 2.2kW 3-Phase Motor to 230V: Choosing the Right Work Capacitor Capacity
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  • #2 6098779
    Lee.LW
    Level 24  
    Hello!
    The attached diagram shows that the calculation of the starting capacitor was based on 120 ÷ 160 uF / kW DC power. However, for the work condition 60 ÷ 80 uF / kW.
    Regards
    Lee.LW
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  • #3 6098925
    lukaszluk
    Level 15  
    Lee.LW wrote:
    Hello!
    The attached diagram shows that the calculation of the starting capacitor was based on 120 ÷ 160 uF / kW DC power. However, for the work condition 60 ÷ 80 uF / kW.
    Regards
    Lee.LW


    I wanted to make a switch. switch acc. to diagram 2. and it shows that a capacitor with the values of 120-160 uF is used for the start-up, and through it only the operating capacitor 60 ÷ 80 uF remains in operation, i.e. half of the starting capacitor
    Is that how I should understand it ??
  • #4 6099982
    gsminfo
    Level 21  
    For 1.5 kW a capacitor of 80 microfarads, for 2.2 kW it will be a minimum of 100-120 microfarads and permanently connected. And a starting capacitor of 150 microfarads is included for the duration of starting.
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  • #5 6100333
    Lee.LW
    Level 24  
    The diagram shows that:
    Start:
    (120 ÷ 160uF) × 2.2kW = 264 ÷ 396uF - disconnected after start-up
    Work:
    (60 ÷ 80uF) × 2.2kW = 132 ÷ 176uF - permanently on
    I would like to emphasize that I am relying solely on the presented diagram. :!: :|
    Regards
    Lee.LW
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  • #6 6102673
    hobbyelektronik
    Level 27  
    I have a 0.9kW woodworking harvester, purchased years ago from my friends, "Moskali", where the start-up was solved in the same way as the Lukaszluk team intends to solve it.
    I will say this: between the motor and the machine shaft a 2: 1 or 1: 2 ratio is possible, in the first case it is ok.In the second case there are problems, I tried to add different capacities experimentally and no improvement, but there is a radical change after kicking the wheel with V-belt. After analyzing the problem, I came to the conclusion that the engine is too weak or the start is not correct (later I can do it)
    Personally, I use a gear boost and so the problem remained, I even considered adding a small starter motor to assist at the start, but somehow it stayed that way.

    Regards.........
  • #7 6102875
    lukaszluk
    Level 15  
    Lee.LW wrote:
    The diagram shows that:
    Start:
    (120 ÷ 160uF) × 2.2kW = 264 ÷ 396uF - disconnected after start-up
    Work:
    (60 ÷ 80uF) × 2.2kW = 132 ÷ 176uF - permanently on
    I note that I am relying solely on the presented diagram. :!: :|
    Regards
    Lee.LW


    Please do not segregate yourself with the data given in the diagram, it was taken from a different source from a different engine, I am putting the correct diagram where I marked what I mean

    Connecting a 230V/380V 2.2kW 3-Phase Motor to 230V: Choosing the Right Work Capacitor Capacity

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    gsminfo wrote:
    For 1.5 kW a capacitor of 80 microfarads, for 2.2 kW it will be a minimum of 100-120 microfarads and permanently connected. A starting capacitor of 150 microfarads is included for the duration of starting.


    By connecting both at once, the total capacity will not be too much ?? Does it have some effect on the engine, sometimes it won't burn it ??
    And as for this data, I want to be sure because I do not have such capacitors in stock, and I checked them, they are cost-effective, almost PLN 40 per item
    If anyone has any suggestions, please write
  • #8 6103252
    Lee.LW
    Level 24  
    I believe that the data in the diagram is correct. Due to the lack of knowledge of this company, the conditions of its start-up (light, with a load?), As well as concern about the budget (we have a crisis - right? :D ), I propose the following solution:
    -operating capacitor 120uF (lukaszluk, gsminfo, Lee.LW)
    - 150uF starting capacitor (detachable)
    -in case of difficulties with starting, add 150 uF to start-up
    For your health do not forget on disconnection of the starting condition, e.g. with a time relay. :!:
  • #9 6103324
    lukaszluk
    Level 15  
    The engine was removed from a new compressor (it was significantly damaged during transport), the compressor was forcefully connected.
    I want this engine to continue to work in the compressor, but of my own design, I have everything ready, I just needed a "motor-engine", preferably high-speed because the compressor (comes from the STAR HS-19 car) needs high revs to work.
    Below is a photo of the nameplate from the engine


    Connecting a 230V/380V 2.2kW 3-Phase Motor to 230V: Choosing the Right Work Capacitor Capacity
  • #10 6103632
    grzeko1
    Level 21  
    Hello.
    There were several times at the forum.
    it is not profitable to combine this way because there is too much power loss.
    A bit more expensive, but it would be easier to use an inverter powered from the 1st phase, then the motor is connected in a delta and it's ok.
    Regards.
  • #11 6174016
    lukaszluk
    Level 15  
    welcome back
    So I bought the capacitors as you advised me, but I have a problem with the values. Well, I ordered capacitors from the company with voltages "TC886 150uF450 / 500VAC and TC886 120uF450 / 500VAC" and they sent me with voltages of 350/230 VAC and now I do not know whether to connect to a power motor so that they do not explode or return them again and order higher voltages
    Will the engine run on these capacitors ?? Can something happen to them ??

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around connecting a 2.2kW 3-phase motor designed for 230V/380V to a 230V supply. Users calculated the required capacitor values for start-up and operation, suggesting a starting capacitor of 120-160 µF and an operating capacitor of 60-80 µF per kW. Various users provided insights on capacitor sizing, emphasizing the need for a starting capacitor of around 150 µF and a working capacitor of 120 µF. Concerns were raised about the compatibility of capacitors with different voltage ratings, and the potential for power loss when connecting the motor directly without an inverter. The discussion included diagrams for reference and highlighted the importance of disconnecting the starting capacitor after the motor has started.
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