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[Solved] Using a Fluke Multimeter to Measure Computer's Current Consumption: A Comprehensive Guide

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  • #1 7003748
    jb111
    Level 13  
    Hello. I apologize in advance if this is in the wrong section, so I couldn't find an answer to my question.
    I have a Fluke multimeter (sorry in advance for the size of the picture, but I had problems with downsizing, so I didn't want to lose quality, since it's already poor - http://a.imagehost.org/view/0629/P1040433) How can I measure and can i measure the current consumption of my computer (watt consumption)? I could connect the multimeter in series using some old broken divider / strip. I do not want to damage anything, so I am asking for help in setting the multimeter options and the selection of plugs in this device. Regardless of which wire I connect the multimeter (phase,0)? Just multiply the result (amps) by the voltage at the outlet to get the power consumption measured in Watts? Thank you in advance for any help. Regards.
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    #2 7003762
    artaa
    Level 43  
    Plug the probe cable into the 10A plug and measure the current.
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    #3 7003790
    niutat
    Level 36  
    Hello, insert the black plug into the 10A≈ socket and set the meter to A≈, connect the meter in series with the measured circuit, this will be an approximate measurement only.
  • #4 7003798
    jb111
    Level 13  
    A bit more maybe? I'm green at this. Red plug at 10A, black where it is, ammeter option - AC ~ ? Which wire does the ammeter connect to?

    edit. ok, so the black probe in 10A, I leave the red one in place? Approximate measurement? Accuracy of 10W?
  • #5 7003823
    niutat
    Level 36  
    Black at 10A, red where it is. If you want to get an accurate measurement, use a kWh meter at home.
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    #6 7003826
    MACIEK_M
    Level 29  
    Set the switch to ~A. leave the black wire in COM, the red one in the 10A socket (Fused). The current read from the display (in amperes) you multiply by 230V (you can also measure the voltage) and you get the power in VA (W).

    Quote:
    I could connect the multimeter in series using some old broken divider / strip
    Just be careful - mains voltage !!!
  • #7 7003863
    jb111
    Level 13  
    I see that opinions are divided, I don't want to damage anything. Which wire does the ammeter connect to? If I know the exact mains voltage, will I achieve an accuracy of 10W?
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    #8 7003866
    otapi
    Level 25  
    Quote:
    you can also measure the voltage

    just first switch the red cable as you have in the photo ;] otherwise the light will go out ;]
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    #9 7003873
    luqpp
    Level 12  
    black -> COM, red -> 10A, set the meter to A ~ (AC). Cut the power cable (one wire) and connect in series with a meter. With this measurement, it does not matter where the red and where the black wire will be. As the colleague above wrote, this will only be an indicative measurement.
  • #10 7003907
    jb111
    Level 13  
    Ok, thanks everyone for your help, one more question, regardless of which way I put the meter? (black/red probe in the "side" of the socket/receiver, it doesn't matter?) Can someone write how accurate such a measurement can be?
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  • #11 7003920
    niutat
    Level 36  
    With AC, it doesn't matter how you plug in the meter, I don't know about accuracy, unfortunately.
  • #12 7003928
    otapi
    Level 25  
    it doesn't matter which way, if it was direct current it doesn't matter either, at most you'll get a result with - (minus) because the current will flow in the other direction
  • #13 7003989
    niutat
    Level 36  
    otapi wrote:
    it doesn't matter which way, if it was direct current it doesn't matter either, at most you'll get a result with - (minus) because the current will flow in the other direction

    The fact, in these meters it does not matter, my mistake. (I grew up on analog : wink :)
  • #14 7004100
    otapi
    Level 25  
    one more question, do you want to measure how much your computer draws from the mains or from the power supply? e.g. you have a 300W power supply and you want to know how much spare you have to connect the GForce 9600 GT to your computer? I will say change the power supply ;] but in such a situation to measure the consumed power, you would have to connect to all outputs from the power supply connected to receivers (boards, disks, etc. and count

    and if so, take the correction if it's some cheap power supply (modecom or something like that) for -(minus) 50-80W in relation to what is written ;]
  • #15 7004251
    W.P.
    Computer PSUs specialist
    As already mentioned by a colleague note you will get the correct result using the electricity meter reading.
    Measuring the current with ammeters will give you some result, but it will be highly falsified.
    The instrument you are going to use is designed to measure undistorted (sinusoidal) voltages or currents.
    A computer power supply strongly deforms the current waveform, even when it is equipped with a PFC or APFC system.

    So the meter will show something there, you multiply it by the voltage value and you will think that this is the power drawn from the network by your computer.
  • #16 7004436
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    What you measure will be apparent power (and strongly falsified, because the meter does not have a TrueRMS converter), because you do not know and are not able to measure the power factor.
  • #17 7006610
    jb111
    Level 13  
    It all worked out. The goal was to measure the current consumption of the entire computer set. For the curious - E2180, HD4850, 1 disk, 2 DDR2 chips, a 22" LCD monitor takes about 140W at rest. Under stress, after overclocking to 3.2GHZ, the max consumption of the sets is 280W. Thank you for your help and best regards.
  • #18 7006674
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    How did you measure it? ammeter? If so, the real (active) power consumed by this set is about 20-30% less than the measured one (in idle state, especially if the power supply has PPFC, even less).
  • #19 7006923
    jb111
    Level 13  
    Yes, I measured it with an ammeter. The power supply has active pfc and efficiency above 80% - Corsair 450. If you say so, I'm all the more happy :)
  • #20 7007086
    kondensator
    Level 36  
    jb111 wrote:
    Yes, I measured it with an ammeter. The power supply has active pfc and efficiency above 80% - Corsair 450.
    You're not so happy. This meter does not have the True RMS function
    http://www.tequipment.net/FlukeDigital21MultimeterFE.html#conversion
    so the correct results for alternating current will only be given when you turn on a purely resistive load (old type iron, heater, light bulb).
    http://www.google.pl/#hl=pl&q=true+rms&lr=&fp=d63876d717156586
    Was:
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1260208.html
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1234292.html
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1415493.html
  • #21 7007169
    jb111
    Level 13  
    Do cheap "wattmeters" (energy consumption meters) from Allegro ~ PLN 50 have True RMS measurement options?
  • #22 7007261
    otapi
    Level 25  
    I have a question a bit OT but I have to ask because I see that experts are speaking.
    I know that power measurement is difficult and there are several powers (not going into acoustics powers anymore) but for example, I have a 70W universal laptop power supply (on the converter), I set it to 12V, connect a 12V 50W halogen bulb and the inverter does not start, it is overloaded, the light bulb blinks but does not light up, I connect 35W and it is ok ...
    question: the nominal power of the power supply is lower than declared by the manufacturer, is it a matter of the type of load?
  • #23 7007432
    W.P.
    Computer PSUs specialist
    :arrow: capacitor
    Thank you so much because sometimes hands go down...

    :arrow: tapi
    During the initiation of the lighting process, the bulb filament heats up from the ambient temperature to approx. 2.5 ÷ 3 thousand °C.
    During this time, the resistance increases more than 10 times.
    So if you connect a 50W bulb, the power supply sees a load 10 times greater (500W) at first.

    And now it's all crashing down on time.

    The designer of the power supply has specified a certain time after which the short-circuit protection is to operate. At the same time, current flows through the filament of the bulb, heating it up.
    Bulb resistance increases (load current decreases).
    If the load decreases within the set time, the current controller will not cut off the power supply.
    If the process of lighting the bulb takes too long (50W), the power supply will turn off.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    jb111 wrote:
    Do cheap "wattmeters" (energy consumption meters) from Allegro ~ PLN 50 have True RMS measurement options?

    They do not have. You need to allocate about PLN 300-400.
  • #24 7007579
    kondensator
    Level 36  
    W.P. wrote:
    jb111 wrote:
    Do cheap "wattmeters" (energy consumption meters) from Allegro ~ PLN 50 have True RMS measurement options?
    They do not have. You need to allocate about PLN 300-400.
    Colleague lost one zero... :) http://www.ndn.com.pl/index.php?id_dzialu=40&id_firmy=17#413
    Although simpler and cheaper by half, there are also http://www.ndn.com.pl/katalog/tes/pdf/art/tes3063_elektroinstalator_2002_05.pdf (WORTH READING).

    Even cheaper than PLN 300, and yet well indicating the desired value, will be a set: a used electricity consumption meter (single-phase from about PLN 30) + a watch (from about PLN 5). The results calculated from their indications will be many times more reliable and closer to the truth than those read from "miracle meters" for PLN 30...300 with alle... / with Conra...

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around using a Fluke multimeter to measure the current consumption of a computer. Users provide guidance on connecting the multimeter correctly, emphasizing the importance of plugging the black probe into the COM socket and the red probe into the 10A socket. The multimeter should be set to measure AC current (A~), and the current reading in amperes can be multiplied by the mains voltage (typically 230V) to estimate power consumption in watts. However, participants caution that this method yields approximate results due to the multimeter's lack of True RMS functionality, which is crucial for accurately measuring non-linear loads like computer power supplies. Users also discuss the potential inaccuracies in measurements due to power factor issues and suggest using a kWh meter for more reliable readings. The conversation concludes with a user sharing their successful measurement results, noting the power consumption of their computer setup under different loads.
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