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Connecting Switchboard and Meter: Proper Order for Differential and 16A Fuse Distribution

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  • #1 8372105
    fchancuz
    Level 12  
    Hello
    I live in a block of flats from a large plate. I have replaced the entire installation with copper and I only have to connect the switchboard along with the meter. My problem is that I would like to give a differential to the bathroom only that I have heard that there must be a proper order as to the point of distribution of PEN to PE and N and a 16A fuse. I have drawn such an overview schematic and I would ask for possible correction of my concepts :D .
    Connecting Switchboard and Meter: Proper Order for Differential and 16A Fuse Distribution .
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  • #2 8372146
    jarewa
    Level 32  
    There is nothing to correct, the concept ok

    Only such ot question why do not you give the rest on the differential?
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  • #3 8372163
    fchancuz
    Level 12  
    because the rest are living rooms that are equipped with sockets with pins (as a precaution in case of war and Indian attack :D ) but still to these sockets are connected devices that have flat plugs through the pin such as TV, video, dvd, night lights, cell phone chargers so here the differential is probably unnecessary ....another part is lighting, which probably also does not require a differential and finally the kitchen, which for financial reasons will get a separate differential in the near future ... I do not want to put everything under one differential because it is probably a little impractical because I will be deprived in this way, for example, the lighting at night when the differential will fire ... I'm saying it right?
  • #4 8372179
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    Hello

    Kolego fchancuz , then still let the colleague describe how this installation to the outlets (with protective pins) in the rooms is made.
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  • #5 8372207
    fchancuz
    Level 12  
    cables to the rooms (3x1.5) have 16A protection. Zeroing is done at this point what is on the drawing and from it the PE and N wires are coming off...is there anything else I should specify (I don't know exactly what colleague Ele_pp asked...)?
  • #6 8372261
    jarewa
    Level 32  
    fchancuz wrote:
    because the rest are living rooms that are equipped with sockets with a pin (prophylactically in case of war and Indian attack :D ) but anyway to these sockets are connected devices that have flat plugs through the pin such as TV, video, dvds, night lights, cell phone chargers so here the differential is probably unnecessary...



    The differential protects a person.

    In the absence of a protective conductor also protects a person. In the case of puncture and touch. But there must be a condition that meets the tripping of the RCD.


    So even with the so-called cell charger may be needed.
  • #7 8372273
    fchancuz
    Level 12  
    hmm then I could make it so that I hook everything up to this differential except for the lighting (so that in the dark at night I don't have to look with my hand where the electricity is turned on...) will this be adequate? will this be adequate?
  • #8 8372370
    Miwhoo
    Electric installations specialist
    First, up to 3x1.5 is given B10, not B16. Secondly, the RCD should protect all plug sockets.

    Lighting does not need to be clipped to the RCD.
    In order, it should be like this:
    - separation of PEN into PE and N [PEN enters the PE bus, and from it only to the N bus]
    - RCD
    - circuit protection

    Good practice is to give a separate RCD for the bathroom, a separate one for the rest of the outlets.

    How about the installed power and pre-protection?
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  • #9 8372390
    fchancuz
    Level 12  
    I do not know what power is installed but ZPL is 25 or 20A...(I do not want to go to the cage and check :P )
    but this B16 serves a total of 3 rooms in which there is a total of probably 8 outlets (each has a separate 3x1.5) so I guess it is correct?

    that is, I can plug all 3 rooms, bathroom, kitchen under one differential then each separate fuse and give lighting without RDC?
  • #10 8372473
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #11 8372499
    fchancuz
    Level 12  
    that is, I have to replace the B16 for the rooms with B10... unfortunately, I do not have enough space in the switchboard to put 3xRCD so for now I will put one for the bathroom and then when I improve the budget I will add the second one for the kitchen.
  • #12 8390805
    gajowy01
    Level 14  
    marcint2525 wrote:
    The use of a single differential for the entire apartment is pointless.
    It is not. It serves its purpose.
  • #13 8390837
    HeSz
    Electrician specialist
    gajowy01 wrote:
    marcint2525 wrote:
    ...
    The use of a single differential for the entire apartment is pointless.
    It is not. It serves its purpose.
    Any insulation failure, if only in an electric kettle, will turn off the lights in your entire apartment. And you will be killed not by the electric current, but by your own table against which you will bang your head falling in the dark.
    Greetings.
  • #14 8393020
    gajowy01
    Level 14  
    What will kill me without power is not the topic of this thread. So far, ZE has deprived me of power several orders of magnitude more often than a differential turned on for everything. Let me assure you that I am not writing from the hereafter.
  • #15 8395046
    HeSz
    Electrician specialist
    gajowy01 wrote:
    What will kill me without electricity is not the topic of this thread. So far, ZE has deprived me of power several orders of magnitude more often than a differential turned on for everything. I assure you that I am not writing from the hereafter.
    This topic has been rolled out many times. Search and read on this forum. In addition, PN-EN 60364
    Greetings.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the proper connection of a switchboard and meter in a residential setting, specifically addressing the integration of a differential circuit breaker (RCD) and a 16A fuse for various rooms. The user seeks clarification on the distribution of PEN (Protective Earth Neutral) to PE (Protective Earth) and N (Neutral) and the necessity of RCDs for different areas, particularly the bathroom. Responses emphasize the importance of RCDs for safety, suggesting that all plug sockets should ideally be protected, while lighting circuits may not require RCDs. Recommendations include using a separate RCD for the bathroom and potentially for the kitchen, while also noting the need to adjust circuit protection ratings (B10 instead of B16) for specific wiring configurations. The conversation highlights the balance between safety and practicality in electrical installations.
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